IL2 and Sound Modding

[X]

Completely concur with Dr. F_IV's diagnosis.

In the interest of full disclosure, I ran through a tremendous number of airplanes looking for egregious flaws caused by the 6 DOF mod. First, an observation. We, alas, do not get fully capable 6 DOF with the mod because we are not able to lean our heads out of the canopy. You can lean out of your canopy in BOBII, for example, but those models were designed from the start for 6 DOF. Now, compared to the early essays in 6 DOF we saw in FS9 in which cockpits not designed for 6 DOF were crudely adapted, the IL-2 46 6 DOF mod is superb. The 46 job is not crude. Are there inevitably glitches? Yes. They always occur when you are extremely close to your gunsight when you are looking along your cowling. Some aircraft were not given a contiguous cowling right up to the windscreen, thus, in extreme close up, some exhibit small gaps. Compared to the monster holes we used to see in FS9, they are nothing. I found this in the LaGGs, Las, the Hellcats, and very slightly in the MiG-3 (this list is not intended to be definitive). Where I expected to see gaps, like in the huge snouts of Spitfires and Corsairs, or in the complex glazing of the Pe-2/3, He 111, and Ju 88, there were none. I consider this to be fantastic. You will feel like you have never been in these bombers before after flying them with 6 DOF---you are no longer imprisoned by the framework of their complex glazing, you can look around the frames. Flying is so much easier, and so much more natural when you are not banging from one range view to another like a reflex camera. Some things need to be refined. It is very hard to get your head low enough to see properly through the Pe-2/3's gunsight. You almost can't get your head far enough to the right to properly use the 262's sight.

But, the rear view in the P-40E is suddenly spectacular. Same for the P-39s. Dive bombing in the D3A1 is so much easier. Unfortunately, the SBD was designed so that you have to use the bombsight view to look through the tele sight so it derives no benefit from 6 DOF, a pity.

Anyway, if somebody has been spreading rumors of gross deformities due to the 6 DOF, it is a blatant untruth, and more hysteria from the fanatics. The truth of the matter is that the 6 DOF mod is a brilliant achievement.

[LT.INSTG8R]

You make a great argument. I suppose I will end up testing it too.

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Well first of all, as ex-military I know one of the last things done before take-off was to wipe the canopy clean one last time.

Remind me to NEVER fly with you........

DerAlte

Edit: And who says the "World according to Oleg" is right? That I always wondered.

You should reread my post then. lol I said, "is clean just before you start the engine" meaning it gets dirty, soon after, doesn't stay clean. Thanks again for reading thoroughly.

Reposted since you missed it.

[LEXX]

Wellcome to The Yellow Wallpaper Feathered-4

For myself, I've given up on the whole online thing. It's grindingly repetitive and has nothing to recommend it anymore. Now I have a choice of online play and the tedious late-war planesets and shallow objectives. Or a purely offline experience. With every aircraft there to be rediscovered all over again. And more third party maps and enhancements than I have seen in years.

There should still be some crap plane servers out there with early Fiats, wooden Polikarpovs, Gladiators, etc.... Find them if you have not already.

Latch onto a Online play mod-friendly community, or some modded or un-modded Online War community, if you've never tried that before.

Mod or No Mod, maybe get yourself invited into a private server or squad.

Hint: If somewhere you don't see any of the following four gamer behaviors...

(1) Team Killing
(2) Kill Stealing
(3) Snotty chat behavior
(4) Renegade wingpersons abandoning teamwork

...then you will never see mod cheating there.

[LEXX]

X (leitmotive) ... test I-16 for 6DOF?

A.S. How was your visibility to the rear in the I-16? For example, was the tail or the area behind it visible, did you simply have to look back, or did you have to crane your neck?

N.G. We stuck our heads out far enough to see the tail wheel. If you could see that, it meant that you could observe the rear hemisphere normally—you could see behind you.

Conversations with N. G. Golodnikov
Part Four ~ http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/englis...ikov/part4.htm

See the tail wheel beneath the aircraft, while strapped in? I was surprised to see this.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by LEXX

Wellcome to The Yellow Wallpaper Feathered-4


There should still be some crap plane servers out there with early Fiats, wooden Polikarpovs, Gladiators, etc.... Find them if you have not already.

Latch onto a Online play mod-friendly community, or some modded or un-modded Online War community, if you've never tried that before.

Mod or No Mod, maybe get yourself invited into a private server or squad.

Hint: If somewhere you don't see any of the following four gamer behaviors...

(1) Team Killing
(2) Kill Stealing
(3) Snotty chat behavior
(4) Renegade wingpersons abandoning teamwork

...then you will never see mod cheating there.

Team killing is a valid tactic... It is how it was done IRL when the situation called for it.

[thegoodguy88]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

That is faulty logic... and has nothing to do with the hacking that produced the mods... First off my copy of 46 had no securom on it... and it was quite offficial.. I cant speak for anyone else.. but I paid for my copy of 46... Pe-2, PF,AEP and FB.. and IL2 as well for that matter... not only that, I have bought multiple copies of IL2, FB, The GOLD pack and 46 to get others interested in the sim.. so I have no problems with using a No DVD/CD file on the sims that I paid for.

Regardless to what you or anyone else may say.. the no DVD/CD is still not something that would give an unfair advantage to someone over someone who does not have it... and also the whole "Well what about the guys with killer rigs vs Mr. Blo with his bargain basement rig" argument is also another debate and has absolutely nothing to do with the hacking of the sim.

Two totally different things. You all know my feelings on the whole deal so I wont even bother going there.. but that argument is just erroneous and hold absolutely no water whatsoever.

Evengy... I suggest you just lock this thread because this back and forth stuff is going to go on until you do between the most prolific posters in this thread.. There will be no resolution , no one will back down or change their tune and no one will agree to disagree.. they will jjust go back and forth and back and forth until you consider slashing your wrists to make it stop.

So why are you hanging out at the soundmod site Bearcat
http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/v...r=asc&start=15

You installed it yet? You like it?

And stop acting like the moderator here.

[LEXX]

Thanks Bear, what is this real life team killing situation? Some WW2 kill stealing happened, but either not always, or very seldom, with hostile intent, for example, confusion in a mass furball, one pilot not seeing another, but at other times, done with greed perhaps.

X -- aha, I found this in another thread...

Xleit::

My favorite 46 airplane is the I-16. Prior to 6 DOF you were dead blind aft---totally, completely unrealistic.

page 31 ~ http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=2396&page=31

More please!

[OldBuzzard]

Originally Posted by thegoodguy88

So why are you hanging out at the soundmod site Bearcat
http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/v...r=asc&start=15

You installed it yet? You like it?

And stop acting like the moderator here.

Yes he is, and making quite RATIONAL posts and suggestions if you must know. It probably wouldn't hurt YOU and a few others to do the same. At least read about what they are ACTUALLY doing, rather than relying on your, or other other's paranoid ravings.

"Acting like a MODERATOR here"? I don't see that. I see him voicing his opinion. Anything wrong with that, or is YOUR opinion the only one that counts?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by thegoodguy88

So why are you hanging out at the soundmod site Bearcat
http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/v...r=asc&start=15

You installed it yet? You like it?

And stop acting like the moderator here.

Oh pffft!! Go pi$$ on an electric fence why don't you.


I will hang out where I want to.. It is really none of your business. I don't like to shoot from the lip without any facts so I frequent those boards often... thats how I can say all the things that I have said in this thread with conviction. Each and every statement. I would rather go there and see what is going on myself than get it from hearsay. As I have said several times in multiple threads across multiple forums, and I am not one to hide under a pseudonym like some sneak thief skulking around in the dark either, some of those mods DO sound pretty nice. To deny that is to be just plain blind, however as I have also said many many times I have not DLd any of them yet, for reasons already stated, so I don't know how they are. You need to read the entire thread before you pop in here and latch on to a post of mine earlier in the thread. Everyone in here and at UBI who has been following this whole thing knows that I have visited that site and do so fairly regularly. I have even suggested mods for them. No big deal..... Read all 99 pages of this thread before you decide to shoot off at the mouth.