IL2 and Sound Modding

[Ratsack]

Originally Posted by Billfish

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So for offliners to be trying to dictate that which only affects others.....That's frankly wrong and says much for the spirit of "community" they have. So no, as to online play their opinions do not count.

Doesn't mean they can't state them, doesn't mean they're wrong or right.....Just quite simply it does not affect them only onliners.

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Geez, listen to yourself! All this 'dictatin' going on.

I have seen on-liners get hysterical about prop pitch and trim control. Everybody got their trim nerfed just so some on liners wouldn't get their panties in a bunch. Prop pitch now only works on CSP planes. Yeah, only on liners can have their enjoyment of the game affected.

Whether you like it or not, mods to the sim may very well be popular with a wide range of players, including off liners. Your position that modding only affects online play is nonsense.

It affects everybody, and what you see as bad some will see as good. To label their opinions irrelevant is, as I said before, arrogant. You're only seeing your little patch of the game and your little problems.

cheers,
Ratsack

[LEXX]

RatSack::

Everybody got their trim nerfed just so some on liners wouldn't get their panties in a bunch.

We have a HUGE problem if the sim is too deeply shared between Offline and various forms of Online play. Back round Patch 3.xy, there was a surprising ubi.com episode where Oleg super-modded the Corsair so Online Dogfight players could fly Corsairs off motionless static carriers (no moving carriers in Dogfight gameplay). A short but sharp flame war erupted between Coop and Dogfight players, with the Coop players begging Oleg for the option of a normally modeled Corsair -- but it didn't happen. That all may have been "fixed" since then, as I've not played this sim since 4.04. I stood on the Coop side on this issue, and would have been happy if both sides could use an option for this.

Same with the trim, as Offline and many Online players wanted correctly working trim in the "full real" flight model mode, and having it as an option would have benefited all, as I could understand the reason for anonymous public panties getting seriously bunched up over slider trim exploits.

[Ratsack]

I don't minimise the problem at all. For my part, as I said earlier, I wish the sim had never been cracked. However, I take exception to the high handedness of some posters saying that other players have no valid opinion.

I wish there were some toggle function between a 'fixed' online model and a moddable offline play. A moddable area of the sim might have provided an outlet for some of the more enthusiastic rivet counters and 'my little pony is porked' players. It might have done so without threatening the precious purity of the online dogfighters. (Purity of essence, anybody?)

It wasn't done, and we're where we are. I don't see the sky falling, however. There may be those who cheat. Well phuck 'em, I say. If you see one, ban them. In the meantime, I'd rather play against adults. It's not the end of the world if it is now possible for somebody to cheat. It's not great, but hey, don't play with cheaters.

cheers,
Ratsack

[Billfish]

CRT=3 isn't happening.......

MG having made great efforts to protect the sim this long, busy with other efforts now to pay rent, JUSTIFIABLY has no reason to do more........Everything from 3.X (once betty was added) a gift paid for or not by us.

The situation now not caused by MG/1C/Ubi or even the true cheaters (as they'll cheat no matter what).....The situation like it or not now caused for onliners by self proclaimed offliners is left wide open.

Sure, the non-modders can make this outrageous effort to thwart any non official alteration of the sim.....Trouble is that means the modders as already proven will make efforts to overcome it. More so the cheaters educated by the mods will look for a way to sneak them through their work minimalized by the work of the modders.

So now the modders here claim........Your problem, though we created it and will only make it worse, we don't have to deal with it (as we all fly offline)....So too bad, so sad, zucks to be you.

Do you have any question as to why, so many take this as a point to fight?

Frankly, all here can claim anonymity, yet reputations get made in such small communities that last till the common bonds though shifting are all gone. That means once none of us are flying flight sims any longer.

Is "I care about anyone except myself" the reputation you want?

I go back to what I've said since post 1 on any forum as to this issue.......Modders broke it, they need to fix it....That's how you'll regain any credibility as far as a community member goes. Don't care?...Don't have a stake in it the extent of community for you simply yakking on the forums?.....Well, that says a lot as well.

K2

[LEXX]

Ratsack::

I don't minimise the problem at all.

I'm there. If the shared sim is restricted by artificial limitations that prevent cheating in anonymous public servers, the Offline players and other types of Online players are hurt.

Assuming I understand BillFish's recent poasting last page, I can see that Offline players have no opinion on Online play, and they don't want any opinion! This does not contradict the above statement, as the Offline players may have, and have had in the past, core opinions on the restrictions that hurt them in Offline play -- crippled trim for example.

I think that's what I'm trying to say. mmmm

[LEXX]

Ratsack -- an example -- recall the Corsair that Oleg super-modded to take off from static carriers in Online Dogfight servers. Above I described the bickering between Coop and Dogfight players, but Offline players had an opinion on this since they will be using the same Corsair in Offline play. In my case, I didn't want the new super-modded Corsair in my Offline play, so I added my opinion which happened to match the Coop players' opinion. There may have been Offline players who wanted to use static carriers in their missioneering, and so may have wanted the super-modded Corsair, but I don't recall any.

[msalama]

Modders broke it, they need to fix it....

Thing is it ain't happening, and no amount of complaining changes that one bit. What we'd need is a 3rd-(trusted)party anti-hack application if Oleg and his guys are not beefing up the original CRT.

[crazyivan1970]

Come on folks, CRT never worked properly... forget CRT.. something new and much more simple needed. If Olegs crew will not find time to patch this hole (They already done more then enough to extend life of the series far and beyond), will have to look inside the community for people that are capable for creating file checker. I actually have few people in mind that might be capable of doing this... will just wait till final release and take it from there. Stop fighting already, nothing will change... tools is out there, people are getting a hang of it and no argument on this forum will change it. Concentrate on solution, because we already have a problem that has gone lose. No?

[msalama]

+1

Sounds great Ivan. Keep us posted, willya, if progress is made w/ that checker OK?

PS. Would look into this myself if I had the time, having been in SW development for years in a former life... but, alas, I don't think I can swing it because I've got plenty of things on my plate as it is ATM!

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

Come on folks, CRT never worked properly... forget CRT.. something new and much more simple needed. If Olegs crew will not find time to patch this hole (They already done more then enough to extend life of the series far and beyond), will have to look inside the community for people that are capable for creating file checker. I actually have few people in mind that might be capable of doing this... will just wait till final release and take it from there. Stop fighting already, nothing will change... tools is out there, people are getting a hang of it and no argument on this forum will change it. Concentrate on solution, because we already have a problem that has gone lose. No?

The perfect solution.