IL2 and Sound Modding

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Brain32

Now this is really funny, there's one thing people need to accept, offline or online the game is the same there is no "them" and "us", we all "live together" like in a big building.
So you want mods to improve your offline expirience and you do not care how I feel about it because it's all about you isn't it, I am NOT important? Fine.
Let's say we are neighbors(like in a big building ) and I want to take a dump on your doorstep to improve my dump taking expirience, I guess it's normal for you to open the door and offer me a drink and/or a newspaper so I enjoy myself taking a dump on your doorstep, it's all about me anyway, you are NOT important
Quite honestly I find the suprise of modding members when they get trashed by non-modding ones insanely funny, what did you expect? Drink and newspapers?

They will take this and twist it, no matter how true it is. Good show! Please don't poop on my doorstep. lol

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

I saw that too. If thats the mentality of modder's, it really makes me wonder if they are after a more realistic/historical sim or just a plain arcade version of what they think is right despite what anyone or any document says.

I know that guy and his brother. If you bothered to read between the lines, it was his jab at the rabid anti-mod crowd, hoping they would jump on it (like you did ) and maybe cause a few heart attacks. If you noticed the caps at certain places, you would see the sarcasm in it.

With some of the posts from the "anti-mod" crowd, I wonder about the mentality of them.

I think it is about time to lock all these threads and have no more. The Zoo keepers were right to forbid such threads.

DerAlte

[LEXX]

I saw that too, and its kinda funny -- no less so than BillFish's Classic a few pages back suggesting that the customers who paid for the sim don't have any valid opinions.

When Oleg poasted the news possibly opening BoB And Beyond to modding for Offline play and mod friendly servers, we were told that Oleg's plan would kill the next sim. So, even Oleg Maddox was indirectly accused of..."wanting to kill the (next) sim."

[LEXX]

Nope -- I was wrong.

I *think* BillFish referred to Offline players who are modding up, which is probably a minority of Offline players as of now.

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by LEXX

I saw that too, and its kinda funny -- no less so than BillFish's Classic a few pages back suggesting that the customers who paid for the sim don't have any valid opinions..............

Get your quotes correct.......My statement was quite clear, that being "offline players opinions as to "online play" are invalid".......More so, there is nothing anyone can do to affect an offline players enjoyment of the sim....However, any and all changes, mods, hedges, hacks, & cheats affect online players greatly as it is crucial that online play be balanced and fair. Can it be made better, you bet. Can it be made rediculously intollerable....Absolutly.

In this case however with the good has already come significant bad....and it's only getting worse.

So for offliners to be trying to dictate that which only affects others.....That's frankly wrong and says much for the spirit of "community" they have. So no, as to online play their opinions do not count.

Doesn't mean they can't state them, doesn't mean they're wrong or right.....Just quite simply it does not affect them only onliners.

Or is this concept too difficult to grasp?......I'm betting you get it

[LEXX]

Got it! Offline players have no opinion on, and Offline modders present no danger to, anonymous public server gameplay. Offline players can enjoy modding up by themselves.

There is a growing number of Online players modding up, so your stake as an anonymous public server player is to keep Online modders out of the open public servers you play in. How do we accomplish this?

In the long term, Oleg's possible "formula" for BoB And Beyond covers the following two options...

Oleg's Forumula:
(1) Modding for Offline play and Online open-mod servers.
(2) No Modding for Online no-mod servers.

For now, in this sim (FB/PF), we can't do this very well, at least without work on the part of server admins to find and eliminate public cheaters. If Oleg can close the hole in 4.09, and it remains unhacked, while Offline and Online players wishing to use modded 4.08 (or maybe 4.09beta ??), then we might get the 2 options above in the last stages of this sim.


BillFish::

So for offliners to be trying to dictate that which only affects others.....That's frankly wrong and says much for the spirit of "community" they have. So no, as to online play their opinions do not count.

It affects not only others but the Offline players themselves because its a largely shared sim (not quite -- for example, no Respawn for Offline players). A too deeply shared sim needs to be somehow "split" so that customer options or modding don't present the ability to exploit them in the anonymous public servers that choose not to allow these customer options or modding.

[LEXX]

oops -- a third, and most functional, possibility...

The mythological CRT=3, as some call it.

Assuming this appears in 4.09, all customers can fully mod a final 4.09, but no Online modders can join CRT=3 servers.

Is this Correct Thinking?

[HanzBlixz]

Originally Posted by LEXX

oops -- a third, and most functional, possibility...

The mythological CRT=3, as some call it.

Assuming this appears in 4.09, all customers can fully mod a final 4.09, but no Online modders can join CRT=3 servers.

Is this Correct Thinking?

Yes Lexx
Many are all hoping for a CRT=3 on the 409 server side.
There are several problems now with CRT=2

#A It doesnt prevent all types of possible cheats or mods.
#B If you host a server with CRT=2 people with some other versions of windows can not join. (Language/Keyboard also causes an issue)
For CRT=3 to be really good...both A and B need to be addressed.

With a good CRT=3 -The modders can be happy with servers running CRT=0 and the the purist might get what they want in a CRT=3

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

I know that guy and his brother. If you bothered to read between the lines, it was his jab at the rabid anti-mod crowd, hoping they would jump on it (like you did ) and maybe cause a few heart attacks. If you noticed the caps at certain places, you would see the sarcasm in it.

With some of the posts from the "anti-mod" crowd, I wonder about the mentality of them.

I think it is about time to lock all these threads and have no more. The Zoo keepers were right to forbid such threads.

DerAlte

Doesn't matter. lol Either way it fits and was funny. Don't rain on my parade dude!

[LEXX]

HansBlixz::

Yes Lexx
Many are all hoping for a CRT=3 on the 409 server side.
There are several problems now with CRT=2

#A It doesnt prevent all types of possible cheats or mods.
#B If you host a server with CRT=2 people with some other versions of windows can not join. (Language/Keyboard also causes an issue)
For CRT=3 to be really good...both A and B need to be addressed.

With a good CRT=3 -The modders can be happy with servers running CRT=0 and the the purist might get what they want in a CRT=3

Aussom! Thanks.