IL2 and Sound Modding

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Well in that case can we work under the assumption that as the Online community makes up a tiny minority of IL2 players and that their opinion is of no validity to Offline players...then this whole debate is over and done with.
Onliners opinions aren't valid to Offliners (A logical extension of your statement)
Offliners make up the majority of IL2 players (a point already proved and conceded)
Ipso Facto any Onliners opinions and comments are of little importance in a democratic sense...
So we can all embrace the sound mod as an unalloyed benefit and move on

What tiny monority? You keep saying tiny minority.. it may be a minority.. but it isn't tiny... if you consider that at any given time there are usually at least 400-500 players on Hyperlobby alone... that is at any given time.... You guys keep on going with this tiny minority bit... and that is just not true.. a minority.. perhaps... but definitely not the tiny minority that you claim.

Originally Posted by Ratsack

The point is the hysterical exuberance of the relative handful of the fraction of players who are onliners and get excited by the mod, one way or the other. Your imprecation to stop bringing it up might be more usefully directed at them.

I mean, when you've got Billfish making legitimist claims about who can and cannot have a worthwhile opinion, you know something in this world is getting silly.

cheers,
Ratsack

Oh Hogwash.... talk about circular logic.... the reason K keeps bringing it up is that it is the online community that is most hurt by the whole affair and it is the modding communities responsibility to behave in an honorable way with these mods since if you don't use them you have no control over any aspect of them. The mod community is the one who keeps bringing this up by insisting that "the tiny online community" has had it's way all these years.. or that Oleg is catering to the "online minority" at the expense of the offline "majority" and that is one of the justifications for hacking the sim. Which is BS. It would all be fine and dandy IF as so many of the pro mod crowd insinuate, those who use the mods only did so offline, but that is not the case and we all know this, it is quite the contrary. So therefore that whole offline/online debate in terms of "Well I am aon offline flyer so why cant I do what I want and screw you.." is just selfish BS. Now again.... I know some of the guys who use the mods... and most of the guys I know would never cheat intentionally.. but the fact still remains that if Joe Blow and I are in a DF and he has mods and I am stock..... we are NOT ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. If the mod community had put as much energy into trying to come up with a failsafe way to insure that those who want to fly in mod free servers can do so instead of defending and indefensible position and the anti mod community had been more focused on pushing for a solution rather than a round robin rehash of the problem... and if both sides had put the childish name calling and posturing to the side a month ago perhaps we would be farther along the road to a solution rather than digging a trench with our feet by rehashing the same stuff.