UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Actually you have photographic evidence as well as radar so its not completely a blind faith thing like religion.

Yes we have photographs. Yes we have radar blips.

Great, but now you need to explain how you get from these photographs, blips and sightings to 'extra terrestrials'.

What about mass sightings like the phoenix lights or the UFO's over Washington DC in 1952.

What about them?

Watch where we go wrong here.....

Phoenix lights (unidentified lights in the sky) = Extra terrestrials.

UFOs over Washington (unidentified objects in sky) = Extra terrestrials.

See the yawning gap in the reasoning there? We've made a completely un-warranted leap from something being unidentified to being 'extra terrestrial'.

Before claiming something is extra terrestrial you need to point to evidence of it being extra terrestrial and not just difficult to explain.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Yes we have photographs. Yes we have radar blips.

Great, but now you need to explain how you get from these photographs, blips and sightings to 'extra terrestrials'.



What about them?

Watch where we go wrong here.....

Phoenix lights (unidentified lights in the sky) = Extra terrestrials.

UFOs over Washington (unidentified objects in sky) = Extra terrestrials.

See the yawning gap in the reasoning there? We've made a completely un-warranted leap from something being unidentified to being 'extra terrestrial'.

Before claiming something is extra terrestrial you need to point to evidence of it being extra terrestrial and not just difficult to explain.

Its called process of elimination.

Is it a plane? No

Is it a bird? No

Does it look like anything man made? No

What else could it be?? Flying fish?
Do flying fish fly faster than our best fighter planes?
Do they have the ability to do manuevers that no know earth bound craft can perform??

try a process of elimination UFO doesnt mean ET but it caould well be. Do you really think we are alone in the universe?? There could be civilizations a million years more advanced then us. Look how far our primative species has progressed in the last 150 years. We have gone from horse and buggy to traveling into outer space in 150 years. what do you think we will be able to do in 100,000 years or a million years?

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Its called process of elimination.

Is it a plane? No

Is it a bird? No

Does it look like anything man made? No

What else could it be??

"We don't know" is the answer. But we could hypothesize....

Flying fish?
Do flying fish fly faster than our best fighter planes?

No they don't. So we can eliminate flying fish. Do you know why we can eliminate flying fish from our investigation? It's because we are familiar with flying fish; their characteristics and capabilities, that we can safely conclude that UFOs are unlikely to be flying fish.

Do they have the ability to do manuevers that no know earth bound craft can perform??

One question....Do Alien space ships have the ability to do these things? If so, please tell me how do you know this? Where did this information come from? How do you, or anyone, know what an Alien space ship is (or is not) capable of?

If you want to use a process of elimination then at the very least you need to have a basic understanding of the things you are offering up as candidates. We can eliminate flying fish because we have knowledge of them. But we cannot ever eliminate ETs from our inquiry because we don't know a single fact about them.

There could be civilizations a million years more advanced then us. Look how far our primative species has progressed in the last 150 years. We have gone from horse and buggy to traveling into outer space in 150 years. what do you think we will be able to do in 100,000 years or a million years?

Yes, yes and yes to all these things!

But the mere possibility does not constitute evidence. It's possible i'm talking to you from the middle of an asteroid, smoking cancer-free Marlboros while playing the harp....all this is possible. But it does not contstitute evidence that I am in fact doing all those things.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Lixma

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But we cannot ever eliminate ETs from our inquiry because we don't know a single fact about them.




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Point I was trying to make almost. IF you rule out all other know earthly possibilities and all your left with is ET than what does that possibly mean??

[ruggbutt]

I have video of aliens and their space craft. The shadow government told me if I ever released them they'd "disappear" me.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by ruggbutt

I have video of aliens and their space craft. The shadow government told me if I ever released them they'd "disappear" me.

Let me see.....yes, according to our records you are about due for a probing. We also offer 2 hours of missing time which can be taken at your discretion; perhaps during a dull business meeting. If we need to core out your anus we will of course arrange some rudimentary after-care but as we're fully booked up with cattle for the time being I wouldn't start worrying just yet.

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Let me see.....yes, according to our records you are about due for a probing. We also offer 2 hours of missing time which can be taken at your discretion; perhaps during a dull business meeting. If we need to core out your anus we will of course arrange some rudimentary after-care but as we're fully booked up with cattle for the time being I wouldn't start worrying just yet.

Please refer to the addendum which also recommends bringing a shaving kit for this one's probing. You don't want to get held up for the "Black Helicopter Stealth Techniques" workshop.

[Skoshi Tiger]

You do realize that the push for universal bowl cancer testing is just an alien plot thought up because their probing teams have been photographed too many times.

Just face it, your average doctor is highly intelligent (in the top 1% of University entrants), you study for 5 years, spend two years in your internship, Another 5 specializing, only to poke things up other peoples bums? Frankly I find it easier to believe in Aliens!



(Hope any doctors present have senses of humor!)

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Lixma

It's only a valid extrapolation if you have some actual evidence to demonstrate that something is not of this world. Meteorites* are 'not of this world'; but we can collect them, hold them in our hands and scrutinise them to see whether the hypothesis that they are 'not of this world' holds any water.

well, you have to go back to your previous points of -

Originally Posted by Lixma

How to explain this? Well there are very many possible natural explanations for what happened. Tiredness, anxiety, vertigo, canopy reflections, hallucinations, birds, atmospheric effects, oxygen starvation, other aircraft.

But let us imagine that none of these explanations hold water, and we find that we simply do not have any explanation at all for what Bob saw. Our conclusion is therefore : "We don't know". Not "Aliens"

not holding water and to use the "logic" that everybody else is fond using, what does that leave? remember... if you have ruled out known possibilities and are left with an unknown; any unknown possibility can't be ruled out

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

remember... if you have ruled out known possibilities and are left with an unknown; any unknown possibility can't be ruled out

Sorry, can you elaborate or rephrase that, WR? I'm not sure what you mean.