Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[zapatista]

from another thread in this same forum, where some people are asking to have modifiable sound files and "lock the rest", one person who obviously *knows* enough about what has been altered confirms exactly what is being argued about in this thread

Originally Posted by HanzBlixz

I’ve spent too many hours contributing to programs to deter online cheating and will not make this into a “How To” for the dishonest individuals out there.

1C has been sent a list of methods on how to use a sound mod to cheat and affect other online gamers.

**If anyone listed them here I would hope a moderator would delete them immediately.**

For a copy of the list sent to 1C try the following.

Post the topic/question directly to Oleg or 1C titled…
“Oleg please publish a tutorial in your forum called -
“Modding for Morons - How to exploit sound mods that pass CRT=2 so that I may ruin the online gaming experience of others.”

(I sure some of you could come up with a better title.)

1C has the list I sent them. CrazyIvan has also been given an overview.
I will let them decide if they would like to share it.

of course he could have been dropped in by black UN helicopter overnight !

[Baron]

Dont know if anyone else have seen it, but yesterday i saw AAA with theire very own server at HL.

[SlipBall]

I don't ever see many, any, on there when I take a look,...

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally Posted by zapatista

from another thread in this same forum, where some people are asking to have modifiable sound files and "lock the rest", one person who obviously *knows* enough about what has been altered confirms exactly what is being argued about in this thread



of course he could have been dropped in by black UN helicopter overnight !

We all know what is "possible" with these mods, what we want cleared up is whether or not what is "possible" is being done as much as others claim. Anyone who denies that cheating is possible is as much to be ignored as the ones who say cheating is rampant. Mod users are not cheaters, cheaters are cheaters. there were cheaters before the mod, I'm sure there are those out there cheating right now that haven't used the mods. One is not a creator of the other. Those who knew how to cheat before the mod didn't neccessarily cheat either, just because knowing how to mod means it's possible to cheat doesn't mean one does.

[Bandit Bill]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

We all know what is "possible" with these mods, what we want cleared up is whether or not what is "possible" is being done as much as others claim. Anyone who denies that cheating is possible is as much to be ignored as the ones who say cheating is rampant. Mod users are not cheaters, cheaters are cheaters. there were cheaters before the mod, I'm sure there are those out there cheating right now that haven't used the mods. One is not a creator of the other. Those who knew how to cheat before the mod didn't neccessarily cheat either, just because knowing how to mod means it's possible to cheat doesn't mean one does.

Oh come on, Urufu_Shinjiru, you are using the wrong logic for this topic.. It should be:

But.. But... She's a (modder) Witch! BURN Her!

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Sorry, I will refrain from using logic and reason from now on, or in other word "I got better..."

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Ofcoarse, my appologies. I will be bringing you a shrubbery and a herring immidiatly.

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

ground hog day again for inspector Dreyfus ?

twitching a little, drooling a little ? LoL

have you given up trying to talk sense now zap? well, i suppose it's better that you stop than continue making yourself look foolish.

the witch analogy, well ok, i take your point it could be a bit tasteless, but it does really get the hysterical "everyone is a cheater" note spot on. maybe mccarthyism would be a better one, and it's all "reds under the bed"?
anyway, have a good christmas folks

[Bandit Bill]

Originally Posted by Robert

Man is that witch burning analogy lame.....and misplaced.

As a matter of fact I find it unscrupulous that an historical event about innocent people being persecuted and killed would be used to draw a comparison with hack users.....(who admittedly use hacks).

(Yeah, I'm aware you're using Monty Python as a joke.... )

Have a great holiday everyone. Hope everyones New Year finds all the good things in life. Peace.

Puleeeaase.. enough with the PC crap and accusations of misrepresenting the plight of innocent crispy critter-witches some 500 odd years ago and offending your delicate sensibilities in the process, in relation to the Evil Empire modders.

The analogy is about as applicable as it can be. Monty Python, and this thread, are at equal planes of absurdity and parody as far as a 'serious discussion' can get, in reference to the real world.

[Santa Claus]

Ho Ho Ho

Just to clarify some mis-information and incorrect statements and assumptions. I've received a lot of Dear Santa PM in the past week, so instead replying to them all, this should cover it. (I'm a little busy right now)

The ntrks that were posted by me earlier...
Were made in Dec 2007 in version 4.08m (Not a previous version and not 409)
They were not made by some trick of the conf.ini file or any other ntrk trick.
There may be ways to do something similar in some other way. This was done simply by using the Sound Hack and downloads available at the much argued about website. No extractor or special java knowledge or tools....just the files offered from the site and no outside link.
The Lerche was NOT a choice in the servers. The violent reaction of the players in chat as they described there feelings about cheating with mods is why several of the ntrks were not posted for all.

Several asked why the Lerche didn't fly in the CTR=2 rooms or why they never saw it...It did. You needed to override the ntrk view control and cycle through the many players in the room. Instead of teaching those who have difficulty in figuring this out, I am simply re-posting a short version of the track filmed in WOE from another angle so that you can simply see it.

About a dozen similar tracks where made on the same day in servers including.
Spits vs 109s
Skies~of~Warping
UK Dedicated
Zeke vs Wilcats
WingOverEurope
and more, several of which are CRT=1 and CRT=2 and the Lerche was not a choice.

Since the original tracks were posted, several have asked for me to prove it by meeting them on their servers... Which I've done.

For those that didn't see the original ntrks, plenty of people have them and are welcome to re-post them.

Some of the naughty PMs assumed that I am against mods.
I am not against mods as long as the mods are created in a legal manor and/or the developer has given consent. There must also be a working option for the host/server to block the mods (and mutants of them) from online servers IF they are not welcome.. (LOL new technical term... mutant mods)

This ntrk simply shows that online players are not guaranteed a level playing field in 4.08m because the checkruntime is easily beat. The ntrk shows a Sound Hack Lerche take off in an online server (WOE) where the Lerche was not a choice and was not welcome. Again..this can be done in any crt=2 room. A Lerche was used to make it obvious. Using the sound hack any FM, DM or many other types of cheats could be used.

Ho Ho Ho - Still hope the Elves are working on 409 and its near release.

http://rapidshare.com/files/78861110...t_WOE.zip.html