Very short development update

[furbs]

When you have to turn off landscape features to get sound i would say its broken bongodriver.

When there is no cooperative play as advertised on the box - broken
When you cant apply FSAA - Broken
No DX11 as advertised - Broken
Dynamic weather- Broken
etc etc....

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

When you have to turn off landscape features to get sound i would say its broken bongodriver.

Then I would say it's a little overdramatic, sounds like a 'bug' to me, and it was made clear that the sound engine was being re-built ground up....or does nobody remember that update? that will take time and will be done when its done, no need for updates on how many toilet breaks Luthier is making.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Oh how very kind of you to call me a child just because I ask for and advise a professional company with more than a dozen employees, engaged in making a game for an global audience, to actually do some customer relationship management..............

So before you start calling people childish you might take that advice yourself and actually stop being one in the first place.

Please stop quoting David Hayward, you are defeating my ignore list. But as it has leaked through, we are not asking to be told every ten minutes, we are asking to be told on a reasonably frequent basis, say weekly or fortnightly, when we can expect our faulty goods to be fixed. And more people, new customers for example, will keep asking until they know.

Question: Have MG admitted there are defects in CoD and acknowledged what they are?
Answer: Yes
Question: Are MG Programme managing their way out of this hole?
Answer: No idea
Question: Do MG have Recovery Programme milestones for the key faults that prevent many people actually playing the game they have bought?
Answer: No idea.
Question: Is the Recovery Schedule, if there is one, on target? Is there schedule slip? Can it be explained to the waiting customers?
Answer: No idea.

I used to work in simulation. Any programme Manager that turned up at programme reviews without answers to those questions would have been roasted alive. Any Programme Managers not reporting on a reasonable basis to their customers, especially on product defects, would also have been roasted. And any Programmes Director that didn't hold those programme reviews would not have lasted very long.

Are MG so unprofessional that they think they owe us anything less?

Most of the vitriol in these threads is caused by people with no responsibility for fixing CoD sniping from the sidelines at those of us that are trying to communicate with Luthier. They are simply swamping every effort we make. He must be laughing all the way to his next joke.

It would be nice if we had a more formal and professional way of submitting our questions to Luthier instead of in this playground.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

When there is no cooperative play as advertised on the box - broken
When you cant apply FSAA - Broken
No DX11 as advertised - Broken
Dynamic weather- Broken
etc etc....

I have played co-ops......not broken
I have seen anti-aliasing, maybe it's not perfect but.......not broken
No DX11....not many games on the market have gone DX11 yet........not broken
No dynamic weather....'yet'.......not broken (because how can something be broken if it doesn't exist)

BOOOOM!

[furbs]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Then I would say it's a little overdramatic, sounds like a 'bug' to me, and it was made clear that the sound engine was being re-built ground up....or does nobody remember that update? that will take time and will be done when its done, no need for updates on how many toilet breaks Luthier is making.

No bongo, a sim without sound is broken.

getting rid of the trees is a work around.

its broken until its fixed, not before. it doesn't matter if a update is coming that will fix it and make it fantastic, its still broken until we get the fix.

[klem]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I paid money for a game.....not Luthiers life story, couldn't give a toss if Luthier posts an update or a little joke, I have never seen any game developer obligated to 'say' anything, development updates are a priviledge not a right, the argument the game is 'broken' is debateable, there are many who play it well enough with some 'bugs'.....since when was a 'buggy' game a broken one, if that was the case then every piece of software needs to be condemned.

bongodriver you are missing the point.

We are not waiting for one of Oleg's free update patches for IL-2. We are not waiting for some freebee privilege enhancement to something that is already working.

We are waiting for our new broken product to be repaired. It does not do "what it says on the tin".

Any company selling a defective product does have an obligation to keep its customers properly informed.

And by the way, content that is included like dynamic weather is part of the product and should be working, not that Dynamic Weather is particularly important over other things.

Originally Posted by klem

Please stop quoting David Hayward, you are defeating my ignore list. But as it has leaked through, we are not asking to be told every ten minutes, we are asking to be told on a reasonably frequent basis, say weekly or fortnightly, when we can expect our faulty goods to be fixed. And more people, new customers for example, will keep asking until they know.

Question: Have MG admitted there are defects in CoD and acknowledged what they are?
Answer: Yes
Question: Are MG Programme managing their way out of this hole?
Answer: No idea
Question: Do MG have Recovery Programme milestones for the key faults that prevent many people actually playing the game they have bought?
Answer: No idea.
Question: Is the Recovery Schedule, if there is one, on target? Is there schedule slip? Can it be explained to the waiting customers?
Answer: No idea.

I used to work in simulation. Any programme Manager that turned up at programme reviews without answers to those questions would have been roasted alive. Any Programme Managers not reporting on a reasonable basis to their customers, especially on product defects, would also have been roasted. And any Programmes Director that didn't hold those programme reviews would not have lasted very long.

Are MG so unprofessional that they think they owe us anything less?

Most of the vitriol in these threads is caused by people with no responsibility for fixing CoD sniping from the sidelines at those of us that are trying to communicate with Luthier. They are simply swamping every effort we make. He must be laughing all the way to his next joke.

It would be nice if we had a more formal and professional way of submitting our questions to Luthier instead of in this playground.

Whilst I agree to most of your post Klem i have to say that some people have gone to great efforts to try and help Luthier, we have a seperate part of the forum where many have posted their findings and problems, to date i dont think Luthier has posted in any of those threads neither as he posted in the bugs thread. Eventually people think why bother, a lot of people have kicked CLOD into the long grass or just given up on the project. Out of ten people that I fly with who have purchased the game only two of us have stuck with it or show an interest. This is partly down to how bad the game is but mostly down to the pathetic communication from the dev's. Unfortunatley Luthier as made many claims regarding this sim and for many people his words carry little weight. Sad but true.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

No bongo, a sim without sound is broken.

getting rid of the trees is a work around.

its broken until its fixed, not before. it doesn't matter if a update is coming that will fix it and make it fantastic, its still broken until we get the fix.

Again overdramatising........the game does have sound, it has a sound 'bug' that means for some sound dissapears a certain points.

so every game that ever had a 'patch' was broken until that patch was applied?

[furbs]

edit. uncalled for