What about BoB at night?

[Jagdwaffe]

I agree with bhunter2112. I'll go further and say it is a farce that we have no release date, not even an estimate, and no REAL in game screenshots. There is no Storm Of War forum here - this the IL-2 Sturmovik forum.
Will BoB be out in 2008? Who knows? There's a lot of speculation that's all. Oh and don't tell me to shut up - I'm entitled to my opinion just as anyone else.

[RAF_Magpie]

Originally Posted by Jagdwaffe

I agree with bhunter2112. I'll go further and say it is a farce that we have no release date, not even an estimate, and no REAL in game screenshots. There is no Storm Of War forum here - this the IL-2 Sturmovik forum.
Will BoB be out in 2008? Who knows? There's a lot of speculation that's all. Oh and don't tell me to shut up - I'm entitled to my opinion just as anyone else.

[Flyby]

Hey guys,
We seem to have devolved into a discussion about no news of BoB. Well that's OK with me. I'd like the developers to repond to my original question of this thread. I can see that if they were to do that they might be in a position to respond to the other concerns here. I can understand the frustration, especially when the anticipation of the release is very strongly sustained. People are growing tired of waiting, and at this point want anything in the way of news.
I wonder if somewhere along the way Oleg just got burned out and took a long break?

[Antoninus]

I have made the experience that darkness in Il-2 greatly depends on your monitor. With my ancient CRT I couldn't see anything at night, except light sources. Since I bought a TFT the landscape is almost as visible as during daytime, even the colours. Completly the opposite experience than flying through the arctic night in FSX. I hope in BOB it will be similar.

[LEXX]

On a moonless night, you should see nothing outside the player aircraft but light sources. On a night with a good moon phase, you should see some terrain or white clouds below, especially snow covered terrain.


RAF vs Reich defense TARGET FOR TONIGHT (cancelled) Developer interview...

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Cat: How will you be able to portray a night-time flying game? Won't the player get lost in a sea of black? What'll she see in-game? Will tracers have different colours, like in IL-2 Sturmovik, for example?

Eddie: This is a very common concern, but I don't believe it should be a problem. Even on a moonless night there is some light, it's just you don't tend to notice it when you're surrounded by bright lights because your night vision is ruined. If you're stuck in the dark for hours on end, you'll find that you can actually see a remarkable amount. We're going to model night adaption, so if you have a large explosion close in front, you may find that your vision is temporarily impaired. Also there will be the Aurora Borealis (we thought of it before Microsoft announced it was in FS2002!), accurate stars to allow for navigation, fire, tracers, flak, searchlights, flares, "FIDO" (a system to clear fog where perforated pipes were laid alongside runways, filled with petrol, and then set alight!), and so on. It will be far from dull!


~ http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/t4t.php

[Viking]

I recall a conversation with Oleg in the good old days when he frequented ORR, the topic was nightfighters. Oleg claimed, correctly in my opinion, that very few users would be interested in a game where you had to fly blind, on instruments only, for hours, led by a voice until the very last moment when you homed in using radar or a faint visual image, fire a burst and then, depending on if you hit or not, repeat it over again. How many hours will even the aficionados spend in that game?

A correct moon phase and star map for the BoB almanac, 10 July to 15 September, is expected. But the time of year indicates that the nights will not be pitch black.
Later on, further north, different story.

[Avimimus]

I think Oleg underestimates the appeal of night combat. With the exception of U-2s, Li-2s and German bombers late in the war it was not very significant on the Russian front. But for members of the Commonwealth, it is about 60% of the air war we read about and know.

The fact is Oleg knows relatively little about night combat (as evidence, he modeled night vision from searchlights but had eyesight recover within five seconds - it should be five minutes!)

Night combat isn't just about instrument flying and vectoring, it is also about visual navigation, correct timing, night landings, low level ground attack, target marking, freeform evasive maneuvers etc.

Who would want a B-17 sim after all? Navigation is fairly easy in daytime, the flight is straight forward once you get to altitude. Use of a single turret has little effect on your probability of survival. The box formation prevents most evasive maneuvers (including attempting to throw off flak. Most likely you will be killed by flak. The Norden is only used by the lead bomber (so you don't even get to bomb). Talk about boring!

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

Originally Posted by Viking

I recall a conversation with Oleg in the good old days when he frequented ORR, the topic was nightfighters. Oleg claimed, correctly in my opinion, that very few users would be interested in a game where you had to fly blind, on instruments only, for hours, led by a voice until the very last moment when you homed in using radar or a faint visual image, fire a burst and then, depending on if you hit or not, repeat it over again. How many hours will even the aficionados spend in that game?

A correct moon phase and star map for the BoB almanac, 10 July to 15 September, is expected. But the time of year indicates that the nights will not be pitch black.
Later on, further north, different story.

to add to that, the RAF had a virtually none existent nightfighting capabillity in '40. Experienced pilots were allowed to try nightflying though and had to work with searchlights from the ground to even find their targets.