What a tracer should look like (before spazzing just look).

[ATAG_Bliss]

Since when do police officers train with automatic weapons?

Do I really need to make an ingame video with icons on to show you A.) the game has ballistics that are quite good B.) You can see tracers much further than 100yards/300ft/91 METERS. I have my guns converged at 500m and I can watch the tracers cross each other and extend.

Then you are talking about making a deflection shot within 91meters where the bullets won't even come close to even being slow enough to have any substantial sort of bullet drop to deflect - and I'm assuming this with your astute observation that a tracer disappears within 91 meters or as you say 100 yards in this sim.

Then you go on to say that a tracer looks like a laser blast as if that's a bad thing. Star wars blasters were modeled off of what tracer ammo looks like.

I don't even think you've fired gun in your life, let alone seen a real life tracer.

The ignorance on this forum doesn't surprise me one bit. The sheer stupidity does.

[ATAG_Bliss]

And just to show you what a still camera shot looks like of tracer rounds:

[Dialn911]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

Since when do police officers train with automatic weapons?

Do I really need to make an ingame video with icons on to show you A.) the game has ballistics that are quite good B.) You can see tracers much further than 100yards/300ft/91 METERS. I have my guns converged at 500m and I can watch the tracers cross each other and extend.

Then you are talking about making a deflection shot within 91meters where the bullets won't even come close to even being slow enough to have any substantial sort of bullet drop to deflect - and I'm assuming this with your astute observation that a tracer disappears within 91 meters or as you say 100 yards in this sim.

Then you go on to say that a tracer looks like a laser blast as if that's a bad thing. Star wars blasters were modeled off of what tracer ammo looks like.

I don't even think you've fired gun in your life, let alone seen a real life tracer.

The ignorance on this forum doesn't surprise me one bit. The sheer stupidity does.

That pic is with a slow shutter speed. A plane flying with this shutter speed looks like a streak.

Also,

When do police officers train with automatic weapons?.... Seriously? PD uses automatics all the time. Not to mention, here in AZ, we can legally own them. My close friend has 3 autos we shoot all the time. fully auto M-4, fully auto mac-11, and a fully auto MG-42 made in 1943.

So you think I have never shot a weapon huh? You want to fact check me? I'm pretty easy to find. Here is my biography. My name on here is Dialn911 (Dial for my last name, N for my first). My Name is Nick Dial. A simple Google search brings me right up.

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"Nick Dial is co-founder of circle the wagons.net. Nick is a certified police officer in the state of Arizona, graduating from the police academy in 2006 with a 4.0 GPA. Nick is currently a student in Counter Terrorism and Homeland Security. He is a member of The National Society of Collegiate Scholars, the Golden Key International Honor Society, Alpha Betta Kappa Honor Society, Alpha Phi Sigma Criminal Justice Honor Society, and the Future Business Leaders of America-Phi Beta Lambda Chapter. Nick is also on the President’s Honors list at the University which he attends. In 2010, Nick was selected for publishing of his article, “Arizona Immigration Law 1070: An Arizona’s Officer’s Perspective, by the National Society of Collegiate Scholars."
http://circlethewagons.net/get-diale...ith-nick-dial/

Here I am shooting a fully automatic M4 in some of my police gear, see the big words on the back that say POLICE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSMGXcgOUIg

Normally, I would not go to this trouble to disclose who I am or my credentials, however you have been very smug and rude to others as well as me. Sometime punks like you with a loud mouth need to be shut up and put in their place. You questioned my background? here you go. Unless you have something showing me your REAL WORLD experience, your nothing more then a weekend warrior hiding behind a keyboard thinking their the greatest thing since tetris.

Pretty sad.

[ATAG_Bliss]

So you posted all that to cover up the fact that you think tracers aren't visible past 91 meters, have no ballistics, and shouldn't go straight?

Do you think that's going to change the fallacies of what you've already said?

And most people that know me know exactly what I do. I don't need to post pictures from my last deployment to prove I know what I'm talking about.

Oh and I'd love to see you try and "put me in my place". No wonder you're a ******. Looks like you got put in your place way too many times as a kid.

THIS POST HAS BEEN REPORTED - NAME CALLING IS BAN OFFENSE

[banned]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

So you posted all that to cover up the fact that you think tracers aren't visible past 91 meters, have no ballistics, and shouldn't go straight?

Do you think that's going to change the fallacies of what you've already said?

And most people that know me know exactly what I do. I don't need to post pictures from my last deployment to prove I know what I'm talking about.

Oh and I'd love to see you try and "put me in my place". No wonder you're a ********. Looks like you got put in your place way too many times as a kid.

I've reported this post. I'm a police officer as well and anyone who stoops to name calling like that needs to be banned.

[Dialn911]

Originally Posted by banned

I've reported this post. I'm a police officer as well and anyone who stoops to name calling like that needs to be banned.

thanks for the support. I thought about letting it go, but people like this tarnish forums such as this.

Stay safe out there banned.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by banned

I've reported this post. I'm a police officer as well and anyone who stoops to name calling like that needs to be banned.

Oh goodie!

Maybe they'll side with you after I was called this and threatened. But I highly doubt it considering not a single argument to support his statement was attempted after I pointed out how wrong 911 was.

Sometime punks like you with a loud mouth need to be shut up and put in their place.

But by all means, let me know when you get that video together than shows a tracer round is not visible after 91m!

I can't wait!

[palker4]

Anyone else finds this tracer disputes totally stupid and ridiculous? Whats the point? Tell me cause i really would like to know why you insit to convince the other guy that he is wrong and you are right. Reminds me of this.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Dialn911

Normally, I would not go to this trouble to disclose who I am or my credentials, however you have been very smug and rude to others as well as me. Sometime punks like you with a loud mouth need to be shut up and put in their place. You questioned my background? here you go. Unless you have something showing me your REAL WORLD experience, your nothing more then a weekend warrior hiding behind a keyboard thinking their the greatest thing since tetris.

Pretty sad.

I reported that post of yours and although I doubt anyone will do anything on this weird forum I really hope your carreer ends soon or that you eventually re-read your posts and learn how to let others have an opinion even if you think you're cool and know it all. You sound like one of those cops most wish would've just stayed out of the business. Calling people punks, "putting them in their place" and all while behaving like a criminal yourself. In the country I come from calling a cop a punk is an offense - most likely the same for yours. So how come you join this forum and point out your "resumee" while behaving like a criminal? This is insane, you should be deeply ashamed.

You are one of those reasons why people laugh about america where I come from. Probably also one of the reasons why you have such an insane criminal rate in your country. If cops can't follow basic ethics and rules then why do you expect others to?

In my opinion you are just a "rank" warrior yourself, hiding behind a uniform and guns and thinking you're something better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you don't like it just go away. Reading your post scares me to hell because everytime I have to do business in your country I run into stupid cops who behave like gangsters and you seem to be very proud of that culture yourself. The word tolerance and self control is probably new to you but I recommend looking into it and NOT repeating such crazy misbehavior because it reflects on all cops which don't have a very good reputation - neither with "punks" nor with normal "people".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5MSdORQI_U

That said I also want to vote "don't care". Tracers are probably the most unimportant thing to me. Especially because the ones we got are okayish.

Most humans eyes are different. Also modern ammo can't be compared to the 50ies. The projectiles changed in both, shape (aerodynamics) and the firing mechanics themselves have been altered. Small caliber and cannon is also a big difference.

Yes, the tracers could eventually be fine tuned but it's not a big deal to me. I prefer a great flight model, more planes, easier ways to create awesome mission content, beautiful scenery and so on. But to each his own I guess.

One thing most people should not forget though: it's almost impossible to re-model tracers accurately. This depends on 2 things I believe
1. eyes cannot "capture" tracers visually - only see them in movement - or rather because eyes cannot follow them entirely we see them.
2. everyone has different frame rates etc. - so the effect of a tracer might vary unless we would have a game with a fixed frame rate of e.g. 60 or 120 for 3d.


If it comes to visuals like that I'd rather have more detail in the scenery than the most perfect tracers ever. Cool clouds, weather effects, rain, fog, dust, leafs swirling around, more ground detail, more objects etc.

[tranquillity]

Mh, all the same I actually regret that this thread has been taken over, or lets say taken away from the subject that winny, yellonet and helicon were argueing about.

I read the whole thread now in about 1,5 hours, and winny really made a point there within this discussion, sadly Bliss just did not get it.

Now the last few pages since yellonet and winny are not writing anymore it is dull again like in the beginning, old stuff gets brought up again and again like vibrations and guncam footage.

The idea that the tracer "bar"'s front point is inside the trajectory arc, but the "bar"'s end is not when for example pulling up or down is a good one.

Winny and yellonet, go ahead, hopefully you will ever get a statement of a dev what they think about it(its just geometry/math/physics ;; they sure considered this in the making, but must have had other priorities)

Whatever, let them rage on in here