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Old 12-17-2007, 08:43 AM
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So 20 hours,900 views,fifty replies,and no cheating tracks posted ?

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Old 12-17-2007, 10:45 AM
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Sadly, except for FM hacks, most are impossible for anyone to post as ONLY the user sees them......Examples:

Mirrors in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Lead compensating sights in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Altered reticles be it shape, or intensity (brightness)....
Altered smoke and vapors seen to make them show better and last longer.....
Altered visual enhancements (aircraft or objects showing better then the sim provides)....
Default skins altered to allow easier recognition....
Field of view in cockpit improved in planes as supplied in the sim, either by transparent pieces, removed or altered pieces, or degree of view movement within.....
Sounds granting better audible cues then supplied in the sim....

and the list goes on......

None of these things which make that individuals play significantly easier then the stock product players can be seen or heard by the other players only the one using them. Therefor they are impossible to prove via a track. However, if someone has any of these hacks installed, then clearly they are cheating as they have gained an advantage over other players by altering the stock product.....

How do you know has them, well you don't, you can guess and we can make some very accurate assumptions yet that would be unfair to do.....The only fair course of action is to state "anyone using a hacked product has the clear and easy potential for cheating with the ability to remain undetected"....

FM/DM/Weapons cheats poorly executed will be easy to spot (a 750km/h I-16).....However, well executed FM/DM/Weapons cheats will be impossible to spot be they slight extra speed, requiring more hits for severe damage, or weapons delivering slightly greater damage, whatever.

So except for rediculously blatant and intended to be seen cheats, most will be impossible for any to document except the user themselves........Hence the ease with which the following smug phrase is made "Prove it"......and everyone knows cheaters are not honest as they'd not be cheating if they wern't.

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exactly, that is the main issue ! the problem with hacks is that it is mostly aimed at cheating online and gaining an advantage by removing cockpits, adding mirrors, increasing speed and weapons etc etc..

i am not surprised the pro-hack kids cant even understand that. with the irrational talk in the other thread that is dangled as "making an argument", they are now asking to prove a negative, saying because no reformed hacker in 2 days post a "no cockpit view" used on a full real server, it isnt being used ? duh !! i think my 6 yo can see the flaw in that.

there have been plenty of reports in the last few months of very odd online behavior and this has been observed by reliable and long term il2 users, some will even have tracks, but will will any of them right now be here reading this thread ?

do a search on google for yourself and see some of the recent il2 youtube video's posted of hack kiddies playing with the files.

i have a better suggestion, why dont you hack kiddies prove there is no cheating online, and that by simply using the improved sound files there has been no change whatsoever in any of the planes flight models ?
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:10 AM
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You must be new to this sim.
If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?
You are part of the problem thank you for contributing to the demise of this sim.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:48 AM
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Member " see some of the recent il2 youtube video's posted of hack kiddies playing with the files."

I have seen those very very few videos and sorry but they don't prove your point...
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:56 AM
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UTHER
You must be new to this sim.
If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?
You are part of the problem thank you for contributing to the demise of this sim.

Just because you claim things " feel strange with the game" proves absolutely nothing. Just because you claim in other posts cheats are hard to post evidence of proves nothing either. You are using your own lack of evidence to prove that cheating is common and deriding people who call you on it because you made a post saying lack of evidence means nothing and is your proof it exists?

Here is your evidence.. "The game feels strange" and "other members have noticed it" ?

RaVe.."If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?

and please stop insulting members because they want proof and you have none to give at all and then you say a previous post of yours pointing that out is your proof." What nonesense...

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Old 12-17-2007, 12:00 PM
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Rave,
Uther has been flying this sim for ages, I used to regularly go against him in Air Wars.

Could we not agree that there are them with and them without.

**Confesional bit**

I have this 'thing that should not be mentioned' and also a 'Vanilla' copy.

The altered version is for single player and squad DCG's (we all have the same bits, namely the sound and cockpit ones.
The original is for online play (this is the one Hyper Lobby is directed to.

As long as I do not go 'live' against others who don't have it I (honestly) could not give a toss, I have paid my money, from the original IL2 release up to 1946, with all the official bits between.

I still love this game, and will continue to fly it even if SOW is ever released (the range and scope is to big to leave it alone), however, I will not be shouted down or harranged into doing something because someone else does not like it.
I think its called 'freedom of expression', and in my job I see plenty of people who attempt to deny that right to others.
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:17 PM
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Hay RaVe, I found this bit of counter evidence for you from another forum by "Quazi" a mod over at Ubi..


"And just FYI? I have asked every online m8 I know that I fly with from time to time (and there are shit pot full) as often as I see them, if they are seeing any weirdness online and so far they haven't. The only thing a very good m8 of mine has noticed is that the K\D ratio between the Hellcat & Zero on Zekes vs. Wildcats has been 1:1 for many, many moons. Now it is at 2:1 in favor of the Hellcat. Of course this isn't really saying anything as far as confirming someone is cheating online with tweaked FM's\DM's. It is just something he has noticed.
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:20 PM
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Well to those arguing with the hack supporters seriously do NOT waste your time in these threads as you'd realize these are only deliberate trolls even stated as such on their forum.........

That said, any who have been here long enough realize that cheating has gone on since day one in many forms.....Be it non-sim hacking (altering ones own PC's clocking and so on) hence all the settings we have below:

[NET]
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checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02
checkTimeSpeedInterval=2
checkRuntime=2

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

Yet, they only work so well, sadly nothing fool proof and more so as cheaters (people who deliberately try and "game the game" for an edge vs. skill) become wiser being called on it, it becomes less black and white to more shades of gray.

That said, the new mods/hacks I'm sure for the most part were intended to simply add onto and improve the simulation............Unfortunately, just as with the initial hacking of the sim, they have been made and distributed irresponsibly. That's really a pity, as most of these even the ones I mentioned could of been developed, and submitted in such a way the community as a whole would of accepted them......Think not?.....Here's an example.

Taking the Mirror & Gyro types of gunsight mods, as released they become a cheat for those using them against others expecting a stock product....Cut and dry how it is. Worse still, they are laid out so Joe hardcore cheater can alter them further.

However....

If the group had taken the time to:
1. Get their facts straight.
2. Get the graphics accurate and up to the newer standards of the sim.
3. Not added them to existing planes yet added them as a new plane varient (Spitfire IX = orig. vs. Spitfire IX Gyro = new plane add).
4. Tested them fully as alpha and beta then made corrections and adjustments.
5. Compiled it into a safe difficult to alter pack.
6. Released it as a new sim version (call it 5.01 say)....

Then, there would not be ANY reason for non-hackers to gripe as server operators could control which versions of the Spit IX were allowed, everyone up to 5.01 would be par as to play, the files could not be easily hacked further and so on.

Yet that would take some common sense.........The rush to simply have what they want now, as they want it and the ability to tweak it to gain an edge even further plus using them in 4.08 play quite simply making them cheats....

Anyone who can't see and understand that either lacking in the ability to think logically, or the morality to not cheat......Sorry to say yet it's that simple, the hackers have made the situation they're facing and we all must deal with.....It's up to them to start correcting it or expect the situation to get worse, for as it stands....most cheating online currently their doing as the old forms we could do nothing about and were rare as they stood....This new form impossible to detect, yet still as much an advantage or cheat as say the speed hack.

Such a pity.........as it could of been so much more.

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Old 12-17-2007, 12:35 PM
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Thanks for all the cheating info. I am learning more about how to cheat from the non-cheaters than anywhere else!

The modders apparently aren't interested. can't get anything from them...
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:46 PM
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Rave,
Uther has been flying this sim for ages, I used to regularly go against him in Air Wars.

Then he has all the experience to KNOW that there are cheats popping up every day.He has flown with/against the very lowest parts of IL2 online players. He then MUST KNOW that people use EVERY possible method to win a map. If he didn`t conclude things from his experience then what can I say?



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As long as I do not go 'live' against others who don't have it I (honestly) could not give a toss, I have paid my money, from the original IL2 release up to 1946, with all the official bits between.
Doesn`t change a thing.

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I still love this game, and will continue to fly it even if SOW is ever released (the range and scope is to big to leave it alone), however, I will not be shouted down or harranged into doing something because someone else does not like it.
That someone is Oleg Maddox. IL2 Sturmovik is his property.You only bought a license to him to use the game in a strict manner.

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I think its called 'freedom of expression', and in my job I see plenty of people who attempt to deny that right to others.
Freedom of expression is a little different at forums which have a game you mod illegaly for the main topic.It would be nice if all of you mod supporters just stopped promoting hacks.That would be fine.
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