All I needed to hear....

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Wow optiz, shouldn't you be licking windows right now your clearly insane...

Yes I agree the western world is messed up and large companies get away with murder.... But this IS NOT a large company it's a small company producing a highly detailed and complex game for a TINY community.

I know that this game will be fixed 10 years of flying il2 have given me faith in the product... That enough for me.

I am not talking about MG in this particular post, I referred to your post - your question "why", because it's always customers (of companies or state(as citizens)) whose make a difference and put the products and services to the next and better level. So yes, I am saying this - people like you are responsible for such "quality" of "BOB", because you are just ignoring the facts and you are happy with it.. More, you are defending it together with unacceptable marketing behaviors.

Btw. size of company doesnt matter. It is about business model, if I can even call it like that in this case, - it is about the way of marketing. How you value your customers... What we see here is is called "transactional marketing", but it just doesn't fit to the type of customers MG have. That's the most funny part of it. That nobody in MG is educated or experiences enough to see it and make changes in their marketing strategy to cope with it. What a shocking difference is ROF team's strategy!

I know how difficult is to repair or change something with same people who screwed it up. It is just not possible. You must have new people. I am still convinced that Luthier should be fired long time ago and new experienced manager should be working here on damage control and customer satisfaction... But probably, the real owners of MG, doesn't care, because this is not making a living for them. Maybe it's just a hobby to them, or some kind of charity because of love of flight sim, but it backfires as the falling price and minimal sales are not making such important feedback to them.

But look, I will not give here some lecture how to run the a specific company on very specific market segment and how to talk with your loyal, longterm customers...
I really loved IL2 series, my life is different now, I have family, kids, weekend in counryside, many other hobbies and friends... Why to waste my precious free time with such pain like flying in CLOD? But I still feel the love to the flight sim, to the flying and I feel this voice has to be heard too - not this way anymore, you are killing the whole WW2 flight sim world...

[JG52Krupi]

You clearly have not being in flight sims much as you are quite naive, games like this one have a small team and little in the way of resources as no one want to fund a genre that requires a huge amount of work for rather little gain... The problems your are on about cannot be applied to this game and plenty of people are still refusing to buy rof due to it's marketing method... Another sim which was in a similar state to this one on release.... But, like so many before you, you decide to ignore that fact!!!

I'm not defending the marketing of the sim genre I am just able to realise that games like this are undermanned and underfunded when compared to games that sell well with a vast amount of finding little in the way of complexity compared to a sim game and still have a silly amount of bugs.... So if a company like activison can sell the same game each year and with a silly amount of bugs why is anyone surprised that games like cod and rof have faltering starts.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by adonys

hmm.. words like "we'll get a community manager" should have calmed us down, rrright?!!

words are nothing, if they are not followed by deeds.. and I've started see to less and less words, and no deeds at all.. which is kinda of worrying..

RLY? There`s a TOPIC here where a guy just SAID that a simple "we are working on it" update will calm you people down! I guess you represent the other moaner group?

I've bought Il2CoD knowing fully the state of the game, but based on MG's history of patches and communication.. for me, they patching this game, and communicating with me is a moral part of this contract I've agreed when I've bought Il2CoD

Sorry, if you keep whining like that then surely you weren`t there to know the first two years of IL2. The comms were the same and the bugs were the same (besides the mp sound bug maybe).

which now seems like they are losing it.. so, i have all the motives in this world to be worried about!

Sure, you can be worrying. You can`t post moaner spamfest threads to go with it.

Maybe you don't understand, bt what is exactly happening right now is MG alienating and losing the trust and respect of their base community. Is the worst thing which can happen to a small developer fo a niche market, and I'm afraid they won't survive without it.

I admit the trust is gradually fading, to those that want their toys now at least. Others however do see the patches that came out and the progress in this game. Along with at least two freebie items (Bf190E-1 and the ship). But you want us all to see the darkest side ofcourse.

[robtek]

Opitz, you are so full of yourself.

You didn't even research, no thats too much, you didn't even look how MG, 1c and UBI are connected.

It was already posted quite a few times.

MG is the developer, thats it, nothing more.

Devs don't do marketing!

1c is the publisher, the publisher does the financing and, here it comes, the marketing.
In the case of 1c only in the east.

In the rest of the world UBI is the publisher and accountable for the marketing.

We here have the unique situation that the devs are talking directly to us, they don't have to do this, there is no obligation, but they do it anyway.

So you are ranting against MG, which already does more than it has to do (fixing the sim) by giving us information that the publisher didn't give.

Next you say that Luthier, a person, i assume, you dont know personally, is incompetent.
Whow, i envy your insights in the workings of MG, you've worked there, or at least visited the company a few times.
Nah, i dont think so.

Furthermore you implement that somebody doesn't care if the faults are fixed, that talks a lot about your state of mind.

If one doesn't has to post something positive (pointing out bugs and errors is positive) and new, one shouldn't post at all.

Ooops! Reading my last sentence i shouldn't have posted this. Sorry, couldn't help it.

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Dude..its like a tennis match in here ...

New balls please ...

PPP

Originally Posted by robtek

Opitz, you are so full of yourself.

You didn't even research, no thats too much, you didn't even look how MG, 1c and UBI are connected.

It was already posted quite a few times.

MG is the developer, thats it, nothing more.

Devs don't do marketing!

1c is the publisher, the publisher does the financing and, here it comes, the marketing.
In the case of 1c only in the east.

In the rest of the world UBI is the publisher and accountable for the marketing.

We here have the unique situation that the devs are talking directly to us, they don't have to do this, there is no obligation, but they do it anyway.

So you are ranting against MG, which already does more than it has to do (fixing the sim) by giving us information that the publisher didn't give.

Next you say that Luthier, a person, i assume, you dont know personally, is incompetent.
Whow, i envy your insights in the workings of MG, you've worked there, or at least visited the company a few times.
Nah, i dont think so.

Furthermore you implement that somebody doesn't care if the faults are fixed, that talks a lot about your state of mind.

If one doesn't has to post something positive (pointing out bugs and errors is positive) and new, one shouldn't post at all.

Ooops! Reading my last sentence i shouldn't have posted this. Sorry, couldn't help it.

You guys are missing my point. It is nothing personal. But you react like little girls - don't forget to mention some of my errors in my psychological profile.

What you the heck talking about? Devs are talking to us? How, where? How often? You live in illusion...
Look... Luthier didnt deliver for Russians, for West and for USA... but he is still the right person in charge. Hell, yes!

edit. Luthier is doing "marketing" all the time, but as we can(or can't) see here, he is not aware of it... Lack of interaction with customer is also kind of communication...

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by PeterPanPan

New balls please ...

PPP

No need robtek just one the game, set and match

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

You clearly have not being in flight sims much as you are quite naive, games like this one have a small team and little in the way of resources as no one want to fund a genre that requires a huge amount of work for rather little gain... The problems your are on about cannot be applied to this game and plenty of people are still refusing to buy rof due to it's marketing method... Another sim which was in a similar state to this one on release.... But, like so many before you, you decide to ignore that fact!!!

I'm not defending the marketing of the sim genre I am just able to realise that games like this are undermanned and underfunded when compared to games that sell well with a vast amount of finding little in the way of complexity compared to a sim game and still have a silly amount of bugs.... So if a company like activison can sell the same game each year and with a silly amount of bugs why is anyone surprised that games like cod and rof have faltering starts.

If this is truth what you say, how the heck neoqb survived first release? How even smaller team of devs can live from even smaller market segment? Even some of IL2 fanboys don't want to buy it, they can play it FOR FREE! How they dare to give it for free?

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

No need robtek just one the game, set and match

Oh dear.. you sure that's just cream you've got on those strawberries?