What a tracer should look like (before spazzing just look).

[bongodriver]

it was mostly mentioned that the pilot could not hear the guns being fired, only notices the shaking and nose dropping of the plane, when he pressed the trigger. But that`s another story...

Probably true but oh my god can you imagine the whining if anything like that was ever implemented, if it ain't how holywood or the media shows it it ain't real.....



Oh and something about tracers...........

[SNAFU]

That`s why I would ask for the option, but we are getting offtopic, so everybody would be happy.

[Mysticpuma]

As you mention the sound I'd like to add a very short part of an anecdote that was told to me by P-51 'Ace' Art Fiedler.

He recalled the first time he fired his guns as it went something like this;

"I got my sights on the target and squeezed the trigger......I nearly jumped out of my skin as the roar of the guns was so loud! It doesn't sound anything like you hear in the movies, you can't here the guns, it's just a load roar and vibration!"

Cheers, MP

[SNAFU]

I read also read contradicting stories, that is right. I interpret these contradicting stories in a way, that the pilot could sense a structure-borne noise I, but not hear a distinct sound of the guns.

[bongodriver]

Well it would make sense, when I do formation flying the noise of the other aircraft is barely noticeable because of sound attenuation from my headset, and an aircraft up close is louder than most guns, yes I have the relevant experience.

[CharveL]

I will almost always opt for the more "realistic" approach.

However, it's a matter of degree and practicality. It's funny how some will want absolute realism in an effect for one thing while being completely content with some other effect that is less realistic.

At some point we have to realize that we are perceiving the sim through crappy colour LCD monitors (most of us) in 2D representing 3D and some "Hollywood" effects that aren't over-the-top might actually be welcome in some effects.

As for the framerate of the human eye, it is far, far more than 60fps in some circumstances and difficult to quantify anyway since it has little to do with the eye itself and more to do with the way the brain processes the information using a sort of "fuzzy logic".

Anyway, let's try not to get too anal about it - tracers are far down the list right now imho - and go for something that's mostly realistic and partly just "good" looking for the sake of immersion whether it be narrower laser blaster shots or a bit of squiggle even.

Personally, I'd be happier with more immersive sounds (not necessarily super realistic engine samples) but things like those deep low frequency flak bursts like in BoB:WoV for example.

I'll let the armchair experts debate the ultra-realistic aspects.

[Bryan21cag]

Originally Posted by Purg

I do love how the experts opinion (those who have seen tracers in combat) are disregarded for the internet experts opinion who's combat experience is fighting with their mother because their toasted cheese is burnt on one side.

its the other way around as well sir I have seen plenty of different tracers from plenty of different types of ammo up close and personal but it does not stop me from getting blasted for thinking they look too fat and too long.

I'm not one of the gun camera/movie style folks but I do think they need to be refined. The new mod that just came out is a step in the rite direction but still needs tweaking.

[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by Strike

*Epic facepalm*

Originally Posted by machoo

I don't care what experts say. The tracers should have a squiggle like on Tv. Why? Because you are pressing a button that vibrates the crap out of your body , the aircraft is vibrating , the perspex would be vibrating.

It just makes sense.

OK You are kidding which means your other post.,...u know the airsoft one was also a joke.

In which case it WAS funny after all

[jamesdietz]

Seems to me I read all this berfore in SAS & AAS Forum postings for Il-2 Mods.They came up with alot of variations all of which ( to my eye) look better than the death ray tracers in CloD...sadly....

[ATAG_Doc]

If you want that squiggly gun camera tracer look then they need to cook up a gun camera feature that records as soon as you press fire and records for 3 seconds after you release it. Build it where it looks like it is indeed a camera that is bolted down where it gets all the vibration in the field of view. Blackdog is correct. Your eyeballs are surrounded by soft tissue and that helps to reduce this affect you normally see with all this old footage from WWII.

Speaking of this. How hard would it be to create a menu item that you could enable within CoD that would act as your guncam? Can't be all that hard.

Just add a recording view that is 30 degrees FOV record to gif file.

Does this get anyone else excited??