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Old 12-11-2007, 05:53 PM
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you have a point. Now read mine. I kind of expected this to happen but only after the release of much expected 4.09 patch. By that time I figure Oleg will have shifted into high gear with SOW (or so I hope) so therefore, I understand the mod/hack side of things, but I also understand the opposition against it.
Thanks for that kind mention that I have a point! Actually buddy, Oleg has already switched gears here though few people know it. He has just a few individuals finishing up a very limited last patch is all of il-2. He totally admits it too in his interviews.
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:01 PM
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It is hard to understand analogies when they dont make any sense stalkervision... i doubt you understand that But that`s ok... go on.
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:03 PM
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Not talking about you whatsoever buddy but I really don't think people realise how smart a guy oleg is. He knows il-2 is an old, over the hill game, himself because he developed it! A good one to be sure but that is the facts. He is now putting all his resources or almost all of them into a new and much better game engine. The people that want to keep Il-2 unchanged are living in the past tense...
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:15 PM
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I disagree ... actually.. the hackers are the ones who make the mods... the modders are the ones who use them.... and really.... do you think their parents really care? I mean come on... and what makes you think these guys are kids? Most of them probably have kids...

Y'see this is the kind of talk that does absolutely nothing to the conversation.. this is the kind of stuff that comes from both sides that is just absolutely meaningless...
I do agree with you that this is a slap in Oleg's face... which is one of the reasons why I have still held off on any of this until I hear something from Oleg or 1C on the subject.. even if that something is just 4.09. Since I am pretty satisfied with the sim as it is.... I will wait... after 4.09? Who knows... if 1C is no longer going to support the sim...

I know enough mature, serious people some who are already using these mods so that if I wanted to fly in a competitive non geek infested venue.. I know where to go... and as I said... just to be totally honest.... some of the things I have seen from visiting their site looks good.. there is no denying that.... Although I have my opinions on the initial deed, how it was done and what could ensue as a result of that.. I refuse to just lambaste all these guys and lump them all together into one big ugly bunch... because their community like any other is not a monolith... and we can debate the morality etc etc till the cows come home and start playong trombones... but it wont change the facts, turn ack the clock or stem the tide... but we can try to set a tone.. instead of all this childishness.

With all due respect BC, we can talk semantics or split hairs all day long.....doesnt change the facts one bit.

And off course i dont think parents care, thats not the point im trying to make.

As for the "kiddie" ramark..well, i dont care how old u are, if your a grown up, act like it. (Not directed at u off course. )

Pretty much every singel defence iv seen on the part of modders is the same tactics kidds use when trying to justify something they know is wrong. This "i whant, i whant, i whant" mentality makes my skin crawl....litterarly. Dont care if your 102, if u cant understand the word "no" u might as well be a 5-year old.

Sure, go on, use the mods...but for the love of god, why is it so important to let every singel person on gods green earth know about it. Especially in here and at UBIzoo? A lot of people have said time and time again , please knock it of. Why cant they just respect that, since as far as we all know thats Olegs wish to? Its complete lack of respect. "They" can demand respect and "no insults please"...but "We" cant, is that it?

U agree on it beeing a slap in Olegs face....do we really need more cause than that, and here in his "home" to boot?. The debate should end right there and then....but still it goes on and on and on and on and on.

People can shift the focus on to anything they like, faul language, insults or whatever...doesnt change facts one bit.


Not one bit.


But in the end u and Uther and others are right, insults wont get us anywhere. Not even the "right" thing or facts gets us anywhere, so why would insults. Im truly sorry if i "insulted" anyone in person, that wasnt my intention.


But the facts are:


Oleg could come in here 2 min from now and say " i will approve every and all modds/hacks made in IL2"...still does not change the wrong doing allredy commited. And i for one have a very good memory.

The only thing that will get us anywhere is saying exactly what the modders wanna hear/agree with them, nothing else.

People damands respect one sec just to slap u (Oleg) in the face the other. That kind of "logic" truly worries me.

Thx and bye bye.
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:15 PM
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It is hard to understand analogies when they dont make any sense stalkervision... i doubt you understand that But that`s ok... go on.
I told you buddy put your Benie cap on..

want me to explain huh?

The non-modders are like the Egyptians IMO. They want to keep the status quo meaning that everyone only follows their rules. They want no freedom to change anything that the non-modders don't want changed. One is suppose to live in the egyptian society and do what the egyptians want them to do and that is all. The egyptians have their god and that is oleg though I am sure that oleg doesn't want the title..

The "egyptians" have their orderly society and want it to stay that way and they will attack anyone that wants any freedom or change from this bondage.

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Old 12-11-2007, 06:27 PM
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I told you buddy put your Benie cap on..

want me to explain huh?

The non-modders are like the Egyptians IMO. They want to keep the status quo meaning that everyone only follows their rules. They want no freedom to change anything that the non-modders don't want changed. One is suppose to live in the egyptian society and do what the egyptians want them to do and that is all. The egyptians have their god and that is oleg though I am sure that oleg doesn't want the title..

The "egyptians" have their orderly society and want it to stay that way and they will attack anyone that wants any freedom or change from this bondage.



Com on Stalkervison, LOL.

Me and a few with me i guess are comming arround to NOT use insults and such...do u really have to serve em up for us to smack right out of the ballpark. LOL


U truly make it difficoult NOT to be insulting. LOL


Opps, that may be seen as a insult in itselfe, sry in that case.

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Old 12-11-2007, 06:29 PM
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Com on Stalkervison, LOL.

Me and a few with me i guess are comming arround to NOT use insults and such...do u really have to serve em up for us to smack them right out of the ballpark. LOL


U truly make it difficoult NOT to be insulting. LOL

Where the insults buddy? The egyptians had a great society! They just didn't believe in changing it is all..
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Old 12-11-2007, 07:24 PM
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My apologies to Winston Churchill:

In England, everything is allowed, except that which is forbidden.
In France, everything is allowed, even that which is forbidden.
In Germany, everything is forbidden, except that which is allowed.
Online, everything is forbidden, even that which is allowed.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:13 PM
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One thing that is a fact is that every single other popular Combat Flight simulator has been the subject of extensive community and third party modification...
Every single other Combat Flight Simulator Community has embaced it, utilisied it and welcomed it...
Now i'm sure plenty of people will tell me that what applies in those games doesn't apply in IL2, that IL2 is completely unique and where every other Combat Flight Simulator has been improved by community/third party mods IL2 is being destroyed by it...
But really what is the difference...
IL2 is a Combat Flight Simulator like LOMAC and EECH
It has closed code like Falcon 4.0 and Janes F/A18
It is a world war 2 combat flight simulator like European Air War and Combat Flight Simulator 3
So what exactly sets it so far apart from all of those...
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:45 PM
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Oh lets see, What's different?....Off the top of my head no permission was given to go and make/release the hacks
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