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Old 06-18-2011, 01:56 PM
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The Way to Avoid that is to say you are doing a practice forced landing.. that way you can get away with it! My dad and I do it all the time flying past all of the bomber bases in east anglia!
practice forced landings 'do not' absolve you from rule 5, so you are litterally getting away with it.
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:40 PM
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Somehow I think it's a fake, good one but fake. I froze the video at 19 seconds and got a pretty clear image of the front fuselage. Very sharp image. I would think that with a regular video cam the image would be a smear. There's also no follow thru at all. The low flying part is cool, nice that he steers away from his buddies. He would've taken their heads off on the original course. If it's real I 'm curious what camera they used.

Edit, I just saw the hud cam footage of this flight and it looks real. Radar altimeter reads 10ft!

http://gizmodo.com/5809436/exclusive...est-flyby-ever

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Old 06-30-2011, 08:20 AM
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hehehe dude that's Argentina, they use jets to herd cattle ;0)

R u a CAF pilot then? Got a good friend of mine in the Snowbirds
Retired Canadian forces 441 Squadron / 4-Wing. 1997 / 2003 - And the same that fought in ww2 in spitfires

I use to have lots of footage but sadly after having 4 or 5 computers and too lazy to back up my files most of it was lost however i do have some youtube : ) and im not a video maker type of guy to no boo's lol



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Old 06-30-2011, 08:45 AM
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Retired Canadian forces 441 Squadron / 4-Wing. 1997 / 2003 - And the same that fought in ww2 in spitfires

I use to have lots of footage but sadly after having 4 or 5 computers and too lazy to back up my files most of it was lost however i do have some youtube : ) and im not a video maker type of guy to no boo's lol


Man what a rush...

I remember 22years ago walking into a RAF recruitment centre and telling the fella i wanted to fly jets..was the Jaguar and Tornado then plus harrier i think and he gave me a list of what i needed to achieve qualification wise..needless to say i was a bit short on said qualifications and decided to like many young men go n get a paid job so i could get drunk buy cars and **** loads of girls (rarely happened mind)

You know how sometimes you regret your decisions......LOL

Funny cuz here i am all those years later and still have the love of flying PC Sims and still fascinated in combat aircraft, going to Duxford again next week in fact!.....so i guess that wanting to fly was a real love of mine back then and not just something i wanted to do as a 'boy' cuz it was cool

funny how things work out, but every time i watch videos like that and 'OK' War isnt cool and all that but I get so jealous of them pilots doing that..has to be the best job in the world and one that i could actualy say and believe i would do it for free...well maybe just enough money to eat n drink..

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Old 06-30-2011, 10:56 AM
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the crew probably had the time to realise what's goi g on and tell him "you killed us,r u happy now, asshole?!"..
Yeah, the crew. If there is hell , that guy piloting is in one. Other people should never share the same fate. While driving other ppl somwhere I always keep it super safe and careful. That said, none of them deserved the time to actually think that they`re going to die in a few seconds.
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:21 PM
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Man what a rush...

I remember 22years ago walking into a RAF recruitment centre and telling the fella i wanted to fly jets..was the Jaguar and Tornado then plus harrier i think and he gave me a list of what i needed to achieve qualification wise..needless to say i was a bit short on said qualifications and decided to like many young men go n get a paid job so i could get drunk buy cars and **** loads of girls (rarely happened mind)

You know how sometimes you regret your decisions......LOL

Funny cuz here i am all those years later and still have the love of flying PC Sims and still fascinated in combat aircraft, going to Duxford again next week in fact!.....so i guess that wanting to fly was a real love of mine back then and not just something i wanted to do as a 'boy' cuz it was cool

funny how things work out, but every time i watch videos like that and 'OK' War isnt cool and all that but I get so jealous of them pilots doing that..has to be the best job in the world and one that i could actualy say and believe i would do it for free...well maybe just enough money to eat n drink..

cheers
Ever since i was a kid Saturday monrings while other kids watched cartoons I use to watch "the world at war" A show that played WW2 airbattles And i was hooked

Later after joining and in school I met a retired RAF digby pilot that flew a Spitfire VB variant, He told me The Aircraft have changed over the years But it's still the same up there nothing has changed. Remember if you think your going to mess up your going to mess up. Stay loose fly right ..His own worry was checking 6 when attacking someone

I never had that worry thank god

I still love to fly. However having a bad back due to a car crash I'm grounded I can only drive a car for about 1 hour before the pain and twitches start up

So when i do have the time i load up CLOD (which by the way is harder to fly : ) but starting to meet great people on a shared love
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Yeah, the crew. If there is hell , that guy piloting is in one. Other people should never share the same fate. While driving other ppl somwhere I always keep it super safe and careful. That said, none of them deserved the time to actually think that they`re going to die in a few seconds.
I know, it's sad but unfortunately it happens in military life. The ultimate responsibility of an officer is for the life of his men, it was obvious that the guy went gung-ho long before the accidents, there were reports of his reckless flying, but nobody did a thing to ground him. He's as responsible as the men that didn't rip the wings off his flightsuit and bitchslapped him..

There have also been cases of whole formations flying into a mountain or on the ground: when you're busy flying formation you rely on your leader for direction, and if he fails you die with him.

I personally was involved in quite a hair raising experience once, flying a vertical formation with a guy who obviously didn't have much experience, even if he stated the opposite: it was 4 planes flying one under the other, and the guy on the top, who was the leader, didn't seem to realise that BELOW him there were other planes that needed to keep a formation and in the meantime trying not to spread themselves over the countryside.. so instead of keeping it safe and flying at a redundantly safe altitude, he would jerk his plane up and down, so we had to work hard to keep formation and not get killed.. I was flying at the bottom, so I was between a plane and the ground: after a couple of near misses with the trees I pulled out, we flew back to the airfield and had a not so quiet word with the guy, who obviously wasn't as experienced as he said..
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:46 AM
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I remember 22years ago walking into a RAF recruitment centre and telling the fella i wanted to fly jets..
Well, it was 32 years ago for me. I knew from the day I could walk that I'd be an RAF pilot. I mean, I'd read the Biggles books and everything.

At the initial aircrew interview, the guy said he couldn't allow my application to go forward because my 'knowledge of current affairs was appalling' and I should re-apply for an NCO position.

Being an arrogant little tyke, I said to my parents, 'well if they don't want me as an officer, they're not getting me at all.'

Which just shows that the guy was absolutely correct not to let my application through!

It's still my one biggest regret in life that I didn't re-apply.

What a pr*ck.

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Someone mentioned the incident where a Swedish JA-37 Viggen did a similar thing in 2002 in Sweden, I did a google translate of two articles about this incident and fixed the most obvious weird translation issues (but not all ):

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/sex...-av-viggenplan

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Six burn victims caused by Viggen fighter plane
Published 2002-06-20 13:00

The fighter pilots and their girlfriends where standing near the runway to see close up how two Viggen fighters took off. Just after takeoff one turned directly at the spectators and six people were injured by the jet beam.

- One of our pilots are among the injured. Another is an Italian fighter pilot on a visit to Sweden, says Major Christer Ulriksson, press officer of the flight squadron F16 in Uppsala where the accident occurred.

It was just after 09 on Thursday morning when the two Viggen fighters would embark on an exercise.

On a small hill about 75 meters left of the runway farthest part were the six people who are now being treated for burns at the University Hospital in Uppsala. Another person was nearby, but escaped injury.

According to Christer Ulriksson the first of the Viggens changed course just after the wheels left the runway.

- The pilot turned against the persons and flew over them at very low altitude, says Ulriksson and says that the distance to the ground "was probably closer to ten meters than twenty."

The group had no chance to escape the heat from the afterburner of the fighter jet. Burning jet fuel is also believed to have hit the injured. Ulrik's theory is that the pilot wanted to impress the spectators. Reportedly, he knew many of them.

- Probably, he wanted to make a cool thing. But to deviate from the course in this manner is not allowed, even if he theoretically could have been forced to give way to a bird.

Nothing to indicate a failure has emerged. The Uppsala police and the court of inquiry is now investigating the cause of the accident.
Christer Ulriksson say they were injured in an "unofficial visit".

- Our pilot had brought his girlfriend, the Italian and his Swedish girlfriend and some other acquaintances to follow the take off.

For three of the six injured, who is reported to be between 20 and 30 years old, the condition is described as serious. These, two women and one man was treated on Thursday in a ventilator. The wounds are however not considered life threatening.

The other three reportedly received minor injuries. One of them had left the hospital on Thursday evening.

The pilot who caused the accident is fully trained and deemed to have a lot of experience. The man was heard yesterday by the police without being served a suspicion of crime. What he said is not known.

- We do not go out with anything on this at present, said police spokesman Christer Nordström.
And the two years later a follow up article:

http://www.nyheterna.se/1.22671

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Viggen pilot accused of accident

The pilot who two years ago flew a Viggen aircraft that seriously injured several people on the ground, has been charged with grievous bodily harm, according to local newspaper online edition.

Published August 3, 2004 16:46
On 20 June 2002 the former pilot flew a Viggen aircraft so close to the ground that a group of visitors at the then-F16 Wing in Uppsala where injured.

The jet beam struck a group of nine people. Three of them received serious burns. Two people also suffered lung damage, bleeding in the brain and damage to the eye or ear drum of the blast.

The former pilot risks a prison sentence of up to four years.
EDIT (to sum this up). Found a last article about this from 2005:

http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/vss/teleg..._852__,00.html

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Viggen pilot was fined
The Viggen pilot who nearly three years ago burned a total of eight people in connection with a take off at F 16 was sentenced to probation and 100 day fines of 390 Swedish kronor.

The pilot was convicted of causing bodily harm. The district court held that the crime was aggravated because the pilot deliberately took a serious risk when he flew low over a group of visitors to the F 16th
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Published: 2005-05-20
So he got about $6000 in fines and lost a rather nice job, and shall we guess the girlfriend too? Incredibly stupid to pass people on the ground at full afterburner and top it off by doing a pull up just as he passed over them for maximum effect (another article talks about him being at about 5 meters).

In some kind of defence of him it was obviously extremely hot that day so with the thin air caused by that and a heavy fighter right after take off he maybe tried pulling up before he passed them, but ended up pulling high alpha and pointing that enormous torch into the ground while passing them a almost zero altitude...
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Old 07-02-2011, 09:35 AM
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I think the worst problem i got into was with me and another pilot grabbed a test dummy MK bomb and painted the false markings with spray painted with "Armed" hot markings and full ribbons and were sitting on it in a hanger when the Major and his friends come around the corner ..We had a hammer in are hands banging it loud..Thinking it was the ground crew coming ...Lets just say the major was white and not impressed We both had a 1 hr chat with the squad leader and the major

if you look at the video again @ 0:12 you will see the other pilots new call sign the day after we did it ; )

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