Old problem on Inspect Airfields....Help

[KAV]

Originally Posted by Gilly

Sadly no surefire way. Most of the suggestions to alleviate are mentioned in the forum but it's more often a case of roll the dice. I tend to use rudder kick and then upon decelerating reset my flaps and use the canons to slow quicker.... Still nosedives too often. It's one of the many IL2 quirks.
Sad to say it's going to be trial and error to accomplish it.

Yepp, as Gilly says, its a Il2 quirk, and a very frustrating one.
There is nothing you can do to avoid the noseover, its all up to AI.
Just keep breaking till 60, lay of the brakes and rudder both ways and you might get lucky..........

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by KAV

Yepp, as Gilly says, its a Il2 quirk, and a very frustrating one.
There is nothing you can do to avoid the noseover, its all up to AI.
Just keep breaking till 60, lay of the brakes and rudder both ways and you might get lucky..........

Yes, although you can get better at avoiding it. It isn't any AI making you crash, Its just it is very very sensitive to what you do. Get it just right and you land, get it only very slightly wrong and you fall over.

[alsevillajr]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

Yes, although you can get better at avoiding it. It isn't any AI making you crash, Its just it is very very sensitive to what you do. Get it just right and you land, get it only very slightly wrong and you fall over.

Are you saying the AI recognizes a good landing and a bad one...and the tip over is a result, regardless of braking technique?

[bobbysocks]

Brakes on a stick? i have an ace edge for xbox....no brakes. and i dont remember one for the AV8R stickes either. I an not too familar with PS3 sticks to be able to tell you but I am pretty sure the Thrustmaster HOTAS does not have a brake either. that is why i resort to firing guns or "wagging" the rudder <<< doesnt work all that great.

this glitch i believe has its roots in that "inspect the airflields" mission. I revisited that months ago and IIRC when you hit 30 mph on your final airfield it gave me a mission complete. Or there was something else that occured at that speed during that mission that made me think it was it was the cause for the glitch. i could be and probably am barking up the wrong tree but.... i am going to have to retry that now...

[alsevillajr]

Originally Posted by bobbysocks

Brakes on a stick? i have an ace edge for xbox....no brakes. and i dont remember one for the AV8R stickes either. I an not too familar with PS3 sticks to be able to tell you but I am pretty sure the Thrustmaster HOTAS does not have a brake either. that is why i resort to firing guns or "wagging" the rudder <<< doesnt work all that great.

this glitch i believe has its roots in that "inspect the airflields" mission. I revisited that months ago and IIRC when you hit 30 mph on your final airfield it gave me a mission complete. Or there was something else that occured at that speed during that mission that made me think it was it was the cause for the glitch. i could be and probably am barking up the wrong tree but.... i am going to have to retry that now...

I just posted a new thread regarding the stick and settings...I know you are quite familiar with yours...surprisingly I thought mine was just fine until now...I've had this stick not too long...don't know if it was wear and tear...but I would look into it.I realized this after Robotic's reply to the subject at hand...I'll ask you the same question...Are you saying the AI recognizes a good landing and a bad one...and the tip over is a result, regardless of braking technique? I just tried it once on the longest run way on the mission...don't know the the name of the airfield...need to brush up on my history...but I think its somewhere in Kent?...Anyway...I attempted the softest landing I could, utilizing a very long and shallow final, aiming for the early part of the runway...as to allow for a long run out...well that field has ample length anyway...and keeping in mind that the runway is slightly raised as to the grassy area...kept it on the main runway...I believe I shut down almost as I touched down...anticipating the magic speed at 57 KPH as expected...tipped slightly but a quick tug, on the stick...set it right back down...I just tried it once...but I believe Robotic is not far from the phenomenon...perhaps not a glitch but purposefully put it as an added challenge due to the Spitfire's nose heavy characteristic...ya think???

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by alsevillajr

Are you saying the AI recognizes a good landing and a bad one...and the tip over is a result, regardless of braking technique?

No, I mean there is no AI. It is your movements with the controls that determins whether you fall over or not. But the line between getting it right and not is so fine that you can never be 100% garenteed not to tip over even once you have mastered it. EvangelousE (SEE) is the best I know at landing the spit on sim, he uses the stick (no brakes) and has a pretty high landing succcess rate. I use the joypad though and have a completly different way of landing, I'd guess my success rate is around 75% ?

Its one of those things that someone else can only give you ideas on what to do. You really have to just keep practicing and experimenting until you the right way for you.

Edit: I will add that it is definately not right for an aircraft to nose over like this, so it is a glitch in my opinion. The 30mph(57kph) tip up is against the laws of physics. The energy needed to suddenly lift the plane comes from nowhere.

[bobbysocks]

go easy on the back stick @ 57. i dont pull back hard...just a slight tip back works for me. its not normal for a plane to tip like that at that low of speed unless you jam on brakes or hit something on the ground. once the tail wheel is on the ground and you have slowed it should be easy goings. so i agree it is a glitch...and it appears on more than just the spit. but it is more pronounced in that ac than the others.. get one of the PS guys who is really good to do a free flight with you and land at manston ( where you were before ).

[alsevillajr]

Yup...no arguments there... I'm convinced....one thing I did learn...that it pointed out the slop on my stick...now it's smooth as silk...still haven't accomplished the mission...dammit..

[alsevillajr]

Hi Bobby...not to beat a dead horse....when it said sticks have no brakes or you have no brakes...does it matter what setting your leave your throttle in...I've tried low settings like 10%, 5%... tried quick bursts...What throttle setting do you use if not idle, which I assume is 0% ???