Patience is a virtue...

Originally Posted by Chivas

Those very very bad developers should have told us not to buy their unfinished product, but it would have been counterproductive for EVERYONE. Atleast now there is a chance the new funds will finance further development as seems to be case at the moment. Yes we all could have waited until the sim was in better condition before we bought it, but without the added financing the sim would have shut down long before that happened. Consider it an investment that could net you another ten years of decent entertainment. The alternative is not good.

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

Lol really, tree your the king of speculation and now a massive hypocrite

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Lol really, tree your the king of speculation and now a massive hypocrite

Well I hit the mark on most, but i will keep the 'King' bit.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

Speculation? Do you honestly think the devs willing released the sim in this condition. If the publishers/developers were just interested in screwing people over they would have released the sim world wide and forgot about it. They certainly wouldn't have released COD in the East then continued to work on it 24/7 for the Western release. Especially given all the negative publicity of the Eastern release would obviously create. I know you give the developers very little credit for any intelligence, or integrity, but it must show most people the developers are commitment to the future of the sim.

Yes COD was released before it was finished and most people understand there is alot of work to be done before its finished. Yes let new people know that COD is incomplete, but also let people know that the developers have a history of supporting their product. I don't see the necessity to spam the forums with negativity, although I suppose there would be the opportunity to say I told you so to an empty forum.

Originally Posted by Chivas

Speculation? Do you honestly think the devs willing released the sim in this condition. If the publishers/developers were just interested in screwing people over they would have released the sim world wide and forgot about it. They certainly wouldn't have released COD in the East then continued to work on it 24/7 for the Western release. Especially given all the negative publicity of the Eastern release would obviously create. I know you give the developers very little credit for any intelligence, or integrity, but it must show most people the developers are commitment to the future of the sim.

Yes COD was released before it was finished and most people understand there is alot of work to be done before its finished. Yes let new people know that COD is incomplete, but also let people know that the developers have a history of supporting their product. I don't see the necessity to spam the forums with negativity, although I suppose there would be the opportunity to say I told you so to an empty forum.

Chivas, Im not disagreeing with you entirely on this, but I think it was appalling that the Dev's did not offer some explanation as to the state of CLOD upon release, letting it just slip out knowing the condition it was in in my opinion as done nothing for their reputation. Yes, there may have been pressure from UBI but we can never be sure, but UBI don't control these forums, a simple statement of fact or a heartfelt appeal to us from Luthier would have made a very big difference to how most feel about this product and where it's going.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Chivas, Im not disagreeing with you entirely on this, but I think it was appalling that the Dev's did not offer some explanation as to the state of CLOD upon release, letting it just slip out knowing the condition it was in in my opinion as done nothing for their reputation. Yes, there may have been pressure from UBI but we can never be sure, but UBI don't control these forums, a simple statement of fact or a heartfelt appeal to us from Luthier would have made a very big difference to how most feel about this product and where it's going.

I imagine UBI would've sued them to hell and back for breach of contract/industrial sabotage (or something). And with every justification. You can't have UBI trying to promote and distribute a game whilst the developers are simultaneously warning people the game's a right mess.

Not an ideal position to be in for Luthier et al on release day but there was little anyone could do other than have UBI shift the release date further back. And seeing the state of CoD on release it appears time had finally run out.

I waited 3 months to be allowed here again - yes, I've got ban for 3 months... Why? Just search for my posts...

Anyway, I waited long for this, so read fanboys carefully:


I hope you enjoy this brilliant sim...

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Opitz

I waited 3 months to be allowed here again - yes, I've got ban for 3 months... Why? Just search for my posts...

Anyway, I waited long for this, so read fanboys carefully:


I hope you enjoy this brilliant sim...

What? literally waiting for 3 months by your computer? rocking back and forth?

hello bongodriver, did you miss me? but let's have some talk before I got banned again...

how much CLOD improved over last three months? I am just curious - is it better, so I should buy it now?

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Chivas, Im not disagreeing with you entirely on this, but I think it was appalling that the Dev's did not offer some explanation as to the state of CLOD upon release, letting it just slip out knowing the condition it was in in my opinion as done nothing for their reputation. Yes, there may have been pressure from UBI but we can never be sure, but UBI don't control these forums, a simple statement of fact or a heartfelt appeal to us from Luthier would have made a very big difference to how most feel about this product and where it's going.

Luthier did say in one of his posts that everyone has a right to be totally pissed at the condition of the sim. That said the developer was between a rock and hard place before release. Letting the customer know exactly how incomplete the sim was could have been catastrophic. Many people could have held off buying, effectively killing the sim. Atleast now there is enough monies generated to keep Luthier and team in business, hopefully long after the US release. Although I think the sales numbers of the US release will have to be strong to warrant further work on the sim. If the developer can weather this storm we should be seeing patches and new theaters for many more years.

I'm not saying its right, but the ROF developers also had to release their sim in a very incomplete state without warning their customers. They have been able to weather the storm without to much blow back from their customers. I'm afraid that todays combat flight sims are far to complex to develop in a affordable time frame. Maybe if everything went perfectly, it could be done, but that rarely happens.