IL2 and Sound Modding - Page 21

stalkervision · #**201** 12-03-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron

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Originally Posted by stalkervision

The more I think about this issue the more silly I realise it it.

Here we have a mod community with all the power in the world to do whatever they want and 99.99% not using it but just asking for just a little respect from a community with no power whatsoever to change thing back the way they want them and that insults them time and time again and calls them cheats and liars.

sort of like a man holding a RPG to another man's head and the man with the RPG asking the other man just to try to be nice and not to insult him anymore! Then the man keeps right insulting him!

LoL, exactly.

And u don see where that logic fails, yes?, no?

U want honest players to be NICE to u and your kind because u can make things even worse?...Are u on drugs?

Rerspect for cheaters?...Now i know your delusional.

What i dont understand is why u are still able to post here......u and some of your friends should have been banned a long time ago.

You didn't get the anology or even the "logic" underpinning it underpants whatsoever did you?

Not surprising..

As usual you troll us,insult us then whine and complain and then you guys get the worst of the argument after we reply to you. Then because you are exactly two years old you want me and my side to be silenced because you don't like our views so you can troll us and insult us a whole lot more. This time without the people you are insulting to defend their positions.

Boy, YOU ARE a real baby..

stalkervision · #**202** 12-03-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wgvette

Hey All,
I have been enjoying (extreme sarcasm) the debate on this issue from the sideline for the past several weeks. It's hard to go to any forum and not be inundated with threads on this subject. (Four on this site alone).

Why do I bring this up? Well, from the sheer number of posts on the subject and the obvious deep rooted feelings on both sides of the issue this is not a subject that is going away...unfortunately.

So, maybe it's time that we took a few steps back and viewed this from fresh perspectives.

As to if or if not the sound mod was a legal or illegal addition to the game really is a moot point. Whether someone installs the sound mod is also irrelevant.

No the only problem that exists is when someone uses the mod to deliberately change an aspect of his/her aircraft capabilities for online play against unaltered opponents. Then and only then does one become a cheat and that is the crux of the matter. The unfortunate problem with this is we are dealing with human nature. There are those that will cheat just for the sake of doing so, there are some that will cheat because they can, and of course there are a few that will do it just to be malicious and hopefully hurt someone else by doing so.

No matter how hard the community pushes to prevent cheats from entering online play; there will be someone willing to work just as hard to break back in and cheat some more. Again I fall back to Human Nature as the real fight here.

And where does this leave us??

A compromise? Really and truly the only way to fight the problem is to combine efforts to police the servers and expel and deny cheaters when they are caught. Difficult to do I realize, and that is where a compromise is needed as it will take everyone from the modder, the onliner/offliner to the game developer to fight.

While Oleg and his crew have much bigger issues than IL-2 keeping them busy, their part of this fight will be in SOW:BOB and future games.

That my friends leaves us to handle the current and short term issues of fair play and the on going health of the IL-2 community.

So, the short end of this deal is that until all the name calling, finger pointing and schoolyard behavior ends; and a real dialog of communication is opened, then nothing, absolutely nothing will ever change.

WG

Anyone would agree with this excellent logic one would think? Yet all we hear is "NO Compromise" and more insults!

stalkervision · #**203** 12-03-2007, 07:35 PM

People solving any disagreement take two parties doesn't it? As long as you non-modders insult and troll on the modder folk without the least willingness to compromise you have no right whatsoever to ask for anything from the modders. Especially the totally selfish position you all apparenty support!

jasonbirder · #**204** 12-03-2007, 08:36 PM

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OK, so the EULA is not tied to the license issue, HOWEVER, there is a law being broken (if license fees are not paid) and that's the point. Whether or not it's a EULA issue is irrelevant. The hack, to the best of my knowledge, redistributes the ENTIRE executable file and if that's not a "...substantial amount of code..." then I don't know what is. Even if the hack is/were just
a patch file it is still utilizing almost 100% of someone else's code.

Copyright does not prohibit all copying or replication. The fair use doctrine, permits copying and distribution without permission of the copyright holder or payment to same. This allows the user to reproduce or adapt copyright material for personal or private use without permission from the copyright owner.

robtek · #**205** 12-03-2007, 08:57 PM

Maybe a "lifelong ban if sighted" for every proven hacker would be a solution to this problem, tough a lot of work for the admins.
So, have a track running when you spot something cheesy, to prove it.
If the hacks (mods) are so harmless as some people say, nobody would get banned.

robtek

stalkervision · #**206** 12-03-2007, 09:00 PM

ban on-line game cheaters. I am all for it! Wouldn't bother me one bit...

ElAurens · #**207** 12-04-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron

u and some of your friends should have been banned a long time ago.

Agree 100%

Outlaw · #**208** 12-04-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Copyright does not prohibit all copying or replication. The fair use doctrine, permits copying and distribution without permission of the copyright holder or payment to same. This allows the user to reproduce or adapt copyright material for personal or private use without permission from the copyright owner.

If, for the sake of argument, we disregard the EULA then the original hacker falls under the above protection which, IIRC, does not permit wholesale distribution, which is clearly the case here.

I do believe there is a provision for limited distribution for educational purposes but that clearly does not apply in this case.

--Outlaw.

jasonbirder · #**209** 12-04-2007, 07:46 AM

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I do believe there is a provision for limited distribution for educational purposes but that clearly does not apply in this case.

There is no breach of copyright as both parties already hold a legitimate copy of the file in question.

Billfish · #**210** 12-04-2007, 07:22 PM

Rediculous......no company EVER gives up the rights to any product they develop, ever. Nor should they, it's their work the end. So why does this group from the hack community keep posting as though trying to get Maddox Games to give up their rights to their own product?

In the end Maddox Games will not, as they should not.....and the hackers will continue to utilize, alter and distribute Ubisoft/1C/Maddox Games product without consent....and all the hammering at it will not change Maddox Games mind (as it's like some child asking 100x in an hour for a cookie they've been told they can't have).......In this case Maddox Games has given their answer in simply not responding....

No............So give it up, the activities of the hackers will not be legitimate till they make their own "original" product, not alter Maddox Games.