109 cant do XXXX anymore.

[335th_GRAthos]

Thanks Ze-Jamz,

It was the first time after weeks flying a Bf109 so I probably you are right.

Maybe the Spitfire (I fly mostly the Ia) has the same kind of violent vibrations as well, I do not know, maybe I have not "cooked" a Spit engine until now, you can not do it by overheating the water system (probably it is a bug; I posted it).
The best case I had was "overcooking" a Spit engine by flying too long at max throttle, oil temp exceeded the limit and got a "grosvenor failure" message but even then there were no serious vibrations either...

Of course it can be due to my superior knowledge and flying skill supremacy when in a Spit or, the abesimal skills and native inferiority of the Bf109 noobs who are trying to cause damage to my superior machine that I never experienced the same kind of vibrations when flying Spitfires.... (just joking )

Anyway, I just mentioned it here, it was the first thing that I noticed taking a Bf109 (besides this horrible gunsight aiming disturbance).

~S~

PS. Thank God they fixed the propeller change speed, the Bf109 can do some serious B&Z now

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Thanks Ze-Jamz,


PS. Thank God they fixed the propeller change speed, the Bf109 can do some serious B&Z now

Really ? When ?

[skouras]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Really ? When ?

after beta

[335th_GRAthos]

With the beta patch, the prop changes much faster than before

[TomcatViP]

Great. I hve to see it by my self hoping that the beta will be released soon on steam. thx !

[Bpdslayer]

Just a week ago I started a thread to bitch about the 109;s XXXX performance. But yesterday online i suddenly became an ace in the plane. Able to out-turn spits and huri's in at least 8-10 sustained turn fights. Sometimes they stalled before me, and other time i inched my way towards their six. On average i was able to shoot an enemy plane down and land at least 2 thirds of the sorties. I dunno if it was just my luck that nite, but the 109 didnt seem such a bad plane in turn and burn dogfight. I even felt I had the advantage, cause as soon as i noticed someone on my six, i could easily disengage by shallow diving followed by a gradual climb away. Reallie had fun online, even though sounds was missing most of the time...

Oh does anyone know wat the 109's 20mm elektron ammo is? i loaded that into my cannons... seemed to work....

[335th_GRAthos]

Good to hear that, thanks for sharing! Nice to have fun and it seems you enjoyed it

Yes, I hate them (Bf109ers) when they do that (swallow dive and climb).
But I feel sorry for them when they enter turn fight (despite what you wrote about your turning capabilities experience), the Bf makes its fame true honor, it was not made for turning fights...

I am sorry to have to fly Spitfires now but the no-possibility to center the gunsight and be able to track bandits around moving your head is a deal-breaker for me

How do you cope with the gunsight yourself?

~S~

[Sven]

the Bf makes its fame true honor, it was not made for turning fights...

From pilot accounts the 109 could turn very well:

Me 109 E:
"The Bf 109s also had leading edge slats. When the 109 was flown, advertently or inadvertently, too slow, the slats shot forward out of the wing, sometimes with a loud bang which could be heard above the noise of the engine. Many times the slats coming out frightenened young pilots when they flew the Bf 109 for the first time in combat. One often flew near the stalling speed in combat, not only when flying straight and level but especially when turning and climbing. Sometimes the slats would suddenly fly out with a bang as if one had been hit, especially when one had throttled back to bank steeply. Indeed many fresh young pilots thought they were pulling very tight turns even when the slats were still closed against the wing. For us, the more experienced pilots, real manoeuvring only started when the slats were out. For this reason it is possible to find pilots from that period (1940) who will tell you that the Spitfire turned better than the Bf 109. That is not true. I myself had many dogfights with Spitfires and I could always out-turn them.
One had to enter the turn correctly, then open up the engine. It was a matter of feel. When one noticed the speed becoming critical - the aircraft vibrated - one had to ease up a bit, then pull back again, so that in plan the best turn would have looked like an egg or a horizontal ellipse rather than a circle. In this way one could out-turn the Spitfire - and I shot down six of them doing it. This advantage to the Bf 109 soon changed when improved Spitfires were delivered."
- Erwin Leykauf, German fighter pilot, 33 victories. Source: Messerschmitt Bf109 ja Saksan Sotatalous by Hannu Valtonen; Hurricane & Messerschmitt, Chaz Bowyer and Armand Van Ishoven.