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Old 06-20-2011, 03:32 PM
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I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:40 PM
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I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......

Mainly because there`s always a "but" in that kind of peoples reasoning.
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:41 PM
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I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......
THIS, is very quotable!!!!
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:42 PM
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I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:11 PM
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To be fair.... I know I can be a tool too. I think we all can reach a point of dissatisfaction or reach a limit with certain aspects of the game or forum members.

But some are so consistent that you'd be surprised to hear something else out of their mouths/posts.

Have a good day, folks.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:25 PM
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I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......
Perfectly said, this should almost be stickied. It's a true shame we need individuals here to remind us how horrible we're behaving. They taught us in the military, and I still like to practice it where it applies, that when giving critisism, you are supposed to point out what the problem is, how/why it effects you, and how it makes you feel. And do it with as few words as possible, not "decorating" the core message with tons of adjectives or feelings. Just say it as it is, plain and simple.

Ex:

There is a problem:

The German Prop-pitch lever indicator has been reversed. This is opposite compared to previous game versions, and contradicts the behaviour of all other planes. I find that when I fly the German planes this becomes confusing and feels odd.



There^ A few lines, it describes the problem, why it's wrong, and what it does to your gaming experience. There's no reason to toss in "F***ing POS game, wasted money, stupid devs, ubisoft s*cks elephant c**k", or the worst insult... "I'm going to wait for Birds of Steel/World of Planes.."

I wish some people realized that the forum is just a place where anyone can discuss matters on topic completely free of charge without having to travel to see the faces of the other people of the community. Equally, you are anonymous, and can trash-talk and behave however you like, because nobody can hear you, see you, or watch you act out your worst. Like Robert pointed out, if you stood up in a crowded meeting and yelled your opinions out loud, you'd probably be told to sit down and shut up, then if you wouldn't sit down and shut up, you'd be tossed out. At least your opinions and arguments would carry more weight, since you actually had the guts to stand up for your own opinion behind nothing but your own face. Here, they just litter the forums.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:49 PM
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I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......
Well I guess that all depends, if the chef tells you that the meal is going to be your best yet and you paid for it in advance but when it arrived the steak was good but the spuds weren't cooked and the vegatables were missing you would be a little bit miffed for sure, then you find out that you cannot get a refund but you should get your vegetables in the next year once the chef as worked out how to cook them, the spuds are someones eles's fault though because after the chef part cooked them the electric got cut off.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:52 PM
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Well I guess that all depends, if the chef tells you that the meal is going to be your best yet and you paid for it in advance but when it arrived the steak was good but the spuds weren't cooked and the vegatables were missing you would be a little bit miffed for sure, then you find out that you cannot get a refund but you should get your vegetables in the next year once the chef as worked out how to cook them, the spuds are someones eles's fault though because after the chef part cooked them the electric got cut off.
So you complain using the right channels and not by 'standing on the chair and yelling' which is what you WOULDNT do if you were in that situation, i think thats what was meant
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:54 PM
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So you complain using the right channels and not by 'standing on the chair and yelling' which is what you WOULDNT do if you were in that situation, i think thats what was meant
I would be outside telling everyone going in to give it a miss.
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Old 06-20-2011, 05:00 PM
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I would be outside telling everyone going in to give it a miss.
That's not nice.....why not just move on with your life?
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