Friday June 17 Update – Next Patch Info

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by luthier

I find in my own experience that it's best to know what you're talking about before speaking. Especially in public.

I don't want to be bitchy, I never been with my feedback (remember the wrong pitot tube and misplaced loop antenna on the Bf110?), but maybe you should take your own advice to heart and better check your reference first, because I always do.

My final word on this. As requested photographs and blueprint. I want to see anyone argue with this definite prove.













I have lots more photographs if you still think that I am wrong...


Blueprints: http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/pl...hboot_35_1937/

Photographs: Marine Arsenal - Minensuchboote 1935 - Entwicklung und Einsatz (MA 47) (book)

[Trumper]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Sorry that I only looked at official blueprints that clearly show that I am right, along with every single photograph... but if you want to bitch about with your community like that, be my guest.

This is a ship BUT it is the fact that this sort of thing has happened since day 1 even with the offer of help.Spitfire cockpit proven to be incorrect,people shouted down about it,map inaccuracies and professional map makers have offered to make it correct but no,,it's not the fact it's a ship it's the fact of not listening and accepting help.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Trumper

This is a ship BUT it is the fact that this sort of thing has happened since day 1 even with the offer of help.Spitfire cockpit proven to be incorrect,people shouted down about it,map inaccuracies and professional map makers have offered to make it correct but no,,it's not the fact it's a ship it's the fact of not listening and accepting help.

would be a little unorthodox.....Ferrari won't shorten the waiting list or reduce the price if you volunteered to help build it.
if they start accepting help for no remuneration it will piss off alot of professional developers who are doing it for a living and paying employed or freelance programmers/artists etc.......

it sounds wonderfull in theory but it's probably a whole lot of aggro in reality

[Romanator21]

Zorin, let's face it, you came across in your posts like a dickhead. If you had politely pointed out the flaws, everything would be OK. Instead:

Luthier, please get your texture guy in on Saturday to fix this obvious flaw in the Minensuchboot texture.

Honestly, the only ship you release new and the texture is not even done properly?

The guys are working practically 7 days a week...people get tired and make mistakes. You seem to contend that this is a major, and as you put it "obvious" flaw (which no one else saw but you), and you seem to want the artist sacked. Frankly that's ridiculous.

... but if you want to bitch about with your community like that, be my guest.

Luthier stood up for his artists. Instead you take personal injury to that and write to the lead developer that he's bitchy? What is wrong with you?

Putting myself in the Team's shoes, I would simply quit on a project that we had made huge sacrifices for if barraged with comments like yours. No respect from the community = two middle fingers back.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

Zorin, let's face it, you came across in your posts like a dickhead. If you had politely pointed out the flaws, everything would be OK. Instead:



The guys are working practically 7 days a week...people get tired and make mistakes. You seem to contend that this is a major, and as you put it "obvious" flaw (which no one else saw but you), and you seem to want the artist sacked. Frankly that's ridiculous.



Luthier stood up for his artists. Instead you take personal injury to that and write to the lead developer that he's bitchy? What is wrong with you?

Putting myself in the Team's shoes, I would simply quit on a project that we had made huge sacrifices for if barraged with comments like yours. No respect from the community = two middle fingers back.

1. As Trumper said, a lot of people, myself included, have volunteered for years to help out and were ignored.
2. Calling an employee in to work on Saturday, as they all have done for month now as we have been told, doesn't sound that absurd as they are obviously used to it.
3. He stood up for his artist by trying to make me look like a fool in public who doesn't check his references. So yes, I have every right to set this straight and I couldn't care less who he is.
4. Barraged? One comment about a tetxure... Get over yourself. We as a community are the single most commited and patient I have ever come across. So when they come around the corner with something they want to show us, the first warship in CoD, they should better be prepared to face criticism where it is due.

This whole being grateful and obedient attitude really gets up my nose. We have been sold a Yugo that was advertized as a Rolls Royce to use bongodriver's car analogy for pete's sake and we are still here pointing out errors and mistakes because we want to help them improve their product instead of throwing it back in their face. If they are offended by it, there is obviously something very wrong with their attitude.

When I bought this game for 50 Euro several months ago it was unplayable and still I ventured through testing it and creating an entire thread regarding the FMB and issues I found and stuff that could be improved and not a single comment from one of the devs regarding it. I offered to help them with new basic content, like bombs for the Luftwaffe that are missing as I already rebuild the entire lot for Il-2, but again nothing.

So don't tell me how to conduct myself. Even though I have been sold a pre beta product I am not holding a grudge but constantly trying to help and make an effort to improve this game.

[Foo'bar]

+1 (!) gut gesagt, Zorin.

[KG26_Alpha]

Please:

When presenting any correctional data, present the full facts from the start.

This way no one gets the wrong end of the stick and everyone can be on the same page with no misunderstandings.

Documents presented must be accountable as genuine and available in full for closer inspection.

A part picture here and scrap of b-print there simply isn't good enough.

Anything else is a waste of everyone's time.

I'm sure as usual if the "ship bug" was fully represented in the above manner there would still be the bitching,
but at least it was fully presented for the serious eyes to scrutinize and save any conflicts of interest.


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[6BL Bird-Dog]

Be nice to have two RN Mine sweepers tandem towing a Warp to clear mine fields.

[Baron]

Im laughing so hard right now im about to cry.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Zorin

1. As Trumper said, a lot of people, myself included, have volunteered for years to help out and were ignored.
2. Calling an employee in to work on Saturday, as they all have done for month now as we have been told, doesn't sound that absurd as they are obviously used to it.
3. He stood up for his artist by trying to make me look like a fool in public who doesn't check his references. So yes, I have every right to set this straight and I couldn't care less who he is.
4. Barraged? One comment about a tetxure... Get over yourself. We as a community are the single most commited and patient I have ever come across. So when they come around the corner with something they want to show us, the first warship in CoD, they should better be prepared to face criticism where it is due.

This whole being grateful and obedient attitude really gets up my nose. We have been sold a Yugo that was advertized as a Rolls Royce to use bongodriver's car analogy for pete's sake and we are still here pointing out errors and mistakes because we want to help them improve their product instead of throwing it back in their face. If they are offended by it, there is obviously something very wrong with their attitude.

When I bought this game for 50 Euro several months ago it was unplayable and still I ventured through testing it and creating an entire thread regarding the FMB and issues I found and stuff that could be improved and not a single comment from one of the devs regarding it. I offered to help them with new basic content, like bombs for the Luftwaffe that are missing as I already rebuild the entire lot for Il-2, but again nothing.

So don't tell me how to conduct myself. Even though I have been sold a pre beta product I am not holding a grudge but constantly trying to help and make an effort to improve this game.

You have a valid point but, you need to reread your original post here...it came across as condescending and mocking a bit.