Friday June 17 Update – Next Patch Info

[Viper2000]

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

+1. A bit worried (being an offline player) that m/player is going to get all the fore seeable treatment over just as crucial elements like rad commands, CEM & FM bugs, proper FMB manual, a non semi-concreted English Channel etc

There are many orders in which stuff could be done.

The one thing you can be sure of is that whichever order they end up being done in the majority of the people will be unhappy with it, because the probability that your preferred order or my preferred order of all the tasks will be selected is extremely small.

Personally I've mostly written the sim off for a couple of months.

I'll have a look at the next release version, and then probably go back into hibernation until the next one - and so on until it reaches a genuine "release" standard.

I'm not particularly bothered by the fact that the game was released in a pre-release state, because I've been able to play it before I would otherwise have been able to. Indeed, it may well be that it was release early or release never, and I know which of those options I prefer.

However, I do think that it would have been better for all concerned if there had been more transparency about the situation, because it's not as though the problems were (or indeed are) small, subtle, or could reasonably be expected to escape the attention of players or reviewers.

Doubtless people would have been more understanding if the game had been released as a paid public beta rather than as a final release, especially if the early adopters had been given a discount to reflect the reduced value of the product at release.

That way, the people who are most bothered by the bugs could simply have opted to wait for a full release, paying full price, and the reviewers could have decided to either postpone their coverage, or else review it as a beta, which would have at least given them the opportunity to say some hopeful things about the final release (whereas they couldn't exactly say nice things about a "final" release that clearly wasn't ready, because if they did that for 1c then they'd be expected to do it for everybody else, quite apart from the fact that the average gamer wants their software to work "out of the box").

I don't want my money back for my CE or anything. But I really think that 1c should:

1. Not repeat this sort of avoidable communication fiasco in future - release a paid beta as such if necessary instead! The fans will pay to keep the genre alive, and everybody would at least know what they were getting into, which would take a lot of righteous indignation out of the equation.
2. Re-release the sim with new packaging and perhaps a new title when it is genuinely release-worthy, so that new reviews & publicity are generated.
   • The people who already bought the sim & shelved it will then be reminded to dust it off, patch it off, and finally enjoy the finished product.
   • The people who were put off by the bad reviews will then be able to read good reviews and buy the game.

[Romanator21]

Well, at least it was positive for the first page...On page two this thread tanked like all the others...

Thanks for the update Ilya. Although the new ship is German, destroyers tend to look the same. This is could still serve as a British escort for now. You should talk the the people from SHV and ask to copy over some ships

Don't get discouraged, your work IS appreciated.

[Baron]

Usual suspects voicing (vomiting) their "opinions", what a surprise.


Patch coming 4 days later than NOT promised and they practically commit group suicide. LoL

Thnx for helping me realize, finally, not to take any of it seriously, just laughing it of instead of actually responding to it.



Thx for the heads up Luthier .

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Baron

Usual suspects voicing (vomiting) their "opinions", what a surprise.


Patch coming 4 days later than NOT promised and they practically commit group suicide. LoL

Thnx for helping me realize, finally, not to take any of it seriously, just laughing it of instead of actually responding to it.



Thx for the heads up Luthier .

what...like you just have?

Im still enjoying playing it regardless

[Redroach]

As I've stated before, my game ran reasonably well since release. And it the meantime, more bugs were introduced than were being fixed. Sorry that I don't have your boundless optimism with another release date missed (yes, I understand that it was tentative; its just that they could have made up for some things here...). Actually, I said yesterday that 'presumably, nothing' will happen today and I was right again - I don't want to be right on this!
So forgive me if I can't share your continued enthusiasm about the 'support' that's being provided until now. In fact, I'm pretty angry. But you got this already.

[Khamsin]

Originally Posted by Redroach

As I've stated before, my game ran reasonably well since release. And it the meantime, more bugs were introduced than were being fixed. Sorry that I don't have your boundless optimism with another release date missed (yes, I understand that it was tentative; its just that they could have made up for some things here...). Actually, I said yesterday that 'presumably, nothing' will happen today and I was right again - I don't want to be right on this!
So forgive me if I can't share your continued enthusiasm about the 'support' that's being provided until now. In fact, I'm pretty angry. But you got this already.

Then go somewhere else for a few weeks until you cool down.

NOBODY on this forum wants to hear your whining any more. You add nothing of any worth to the discussion .... your behaviour is simply childish.... nothing more.

[whatnot]

Thanks for the update Luthier and keep the updates coming!

What I would really like to see with all the talent and passion out there is a mechanism for community created content to be added in the official package once the SDK etc is out. Skins, campaigns, missions, planes, ships.. whatever the SDK will allow to create. Ofcourse there needs to be high standards for such content, but it would ensure the versions people have don't get too fragmented and limit the online possibilities due to security checks. Especially as the online player base is pretty slim at the moment.

But yes, those are future hopes and dreams.. focus on fundamentals now.

Originally Posted by Baron

Usual suspects voicing (vomiting) their "opinions", what a surprise.

Patch coming 4 days later than NOT promised and they practically commit group suicide. LoL

You wish! If that would be true it would take only one delay of a non-promised schedule to cut out the whine-weed from these forums for good.

It's hard to understand that after such a series of dissapointments with the title they still find the energy to be the most active posters around the forums leaving a trail of tears which ever thread they pass by. That must be masochism of some sort.

[shabir]

whether this patch is a no?

Today is 18 June and further updates on Steam do not have: (

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by shabir

whether this patch is a no?

Today is 18 June and further updates on Steam do not have: (

Experiencing some challenges reading the first post by luthier?

"We’ve been pushing it out all day, but it’s just not coming out."

"We plan to work on it over the weekend, test internally on Monday, and release the beta on Tuesday."

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by Viper2000

1. Not repeat this sort of avoidable communication fiasco in future - release a paid beta as such if necessary instead! The fans will pay to keep the genre alive, and everybody would at least know what they were getting into, which would take a lot of righteous indignation out of the equation.
2. Re-release the sim with new packaging and perhaps a new title when it is genuinely release-worthy, so that new reviews & publicity are generated.
   • The people who already bought the sim & shelved it will then be reminded to dust it off, patch it off, and finally enjoy the finished product.
   • The people who were put off by the bad reviews will then be able to read good reviews and buy the game.

1st decision is done by the publisher I think which is UBI for most of the world.

2nd is coming with Battle of Moscow or other add-ons the same way it was with original IL-2 (Aces addon, Pacific addon, 1946, etc).

However with new level of complexity and without Oleg things will develop much slower this time I guess. It would be wise not expect any quick break-throughs but in a couple of years all current wishes would be fulfilled I am sure including drivable submarines with perfectly correct textures.