Yet another week of running in the dark.

[Rather peeved]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Lets just get some things clear here, its not as if the game was released and after a few weeks the community found a few small bugs that needed fixing, this game was released with the full knowledge by the Dev's that it was not fit for purpose, they knew it had all manner of issues, and sadly they did deliberately mislead us in the run up to release. If an apology is out of the question then in the very least they should be bending over backwards (if they wish to carry on with future products) to keep us informed. Those of you who do not feel an apology is necessary (because its only $50) are just playing into the hands of shoddy software companies who believe they can release any pile of junk through steam without any comebacks, because getting refunds from steam is impossible.

again I agree. but i must say it's not so much the fact the game was released in such a shoddy state which annoys me, but the fact so many untruths were told in the lead up to release.

i can forgive incompetence or lack of resources or whatever, but i can't stand being bullshi##ed to.

[CharveL]

+2

Wah I don't get regular updates on Luthiers daily bowel movements wah wah...I'm pissed that I wasn't smart enough to wait a week before mortgaging my house to buy it WAH...!!

Get some perspective, find a shelf to put CLoD on and use the few bucks you saved from the Russian exchange rate to buy yourselves some tissues.

[BP_Tailspin]

I’m still waiting for the US release, and hoping for some news/updates. It would be great to here from the team about the US release and how it will be different from all the previous releases.

I was looking forward to this game ..... now I’m not so sure.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Lets just get some things clear here, its not as if the game was released and after a few weeks the community found a few small bugs that needed fixing, this game was released with the full knowledge by the Dev's that it was not fit for purpose, they knew it had all manner of issues, and sadly they did deliberately mislead us in the run up to release. If an apology is out of the question then in the very least they should be bending over backwards (if they wish to carry on with future products) to keep us informed. Those of you who do not feel an apology is necessary (because its only $50) are just playing into the hands of shoddy software companies who believe they can release any pile of junk through steam without any comebacks, because getting refunds from steam is impossible.

As your responce fits my comments about not requiring an apology, I will respond, what is this thing you have with apologies, by the way? I know what I would prefer and that is the game working for everyone, apologies would be nice, but worthless if they give up on fixing it.

This rubbish about playing into the hands of shoddy software companies is just that, rubbish, how would an apology from a shoddy software company make you feel better, if they are shoddy they are probably also dodgy and as I said in my post an apology is worth nothing if it isnt backed up with something worthwhile self flaggelation maybe, or a nice spell in the comfy chair.

Too late to do much about how it was released etc, we have already bought it so now lets get it fixed and yes I totally agree a quick update wouldn't hurt, especially after a hot fix that was anything but a fix, then we get 10 days of silence, the team at Maddox games really needs to get themselves organised, or this won't be released by Christmas in the US.

Originally Posted by Tiger27

As your responce fits my comments about not requiring an apology, I will respond, what is this thing you have with apologies, by the way? I know what I would prefer and that is the game working for everyone, apologies would be nice, but worthless if they give up on fixing it.

This rubbish about playing into the hands of shoddy software companies is just that, rubbish, how would an apology from a shoddy software company make you feel better, if they are shoddy they are probably also dodgy and as I said in my post an apology is worth nothing if it isnt backed up with something worthwhile self flaggelation maybe, or a nice spell in the comfy chair.

Too late to do much about how it was released etc, we have already bought it so now lets get it fixed and yes I totally agree a quick update wouldn't hurt, especially after a hot fix that was anything but a fix, then we get 10 days of silence, the team at Maddox games really needs to get themselves organised, or this won't be released by Christmas in the US.

My response was aimed more at Troopers post, An apology usually means someone actually cares about what effect there actions have caused, with all the untruths before release it is quite clear that the Oleg/Luthier that were once worshipped by so many here have a much darker side.
However, I would like to think that Luthier has some respect for this community since he relies upon it so heavily now with the current state of CLOD. Obviously we will never see an apology, I know that, but I still think its a shame, because if Luthier could find it in himself to make a small statement of fact I am sure that it would do a lot to boost moral and to put the whole release mess behind us.

We have to remember that someone somewhere as made a lot of money out of this mess and I think we are owed some sort of explanation at least, if that is too much to ask or too painful to do, then in the very least after admitting here on these forums that a half finished game was released give us just 5 mins of your time on a weekly basis to let us know that it isn't all about the money anymore there is still some love here for the community.

[Laszlo]

Originally Posted by Formula88

The man (Luthier) just made a post what, a week ago, saying that his prescence here might indicate lack of work on the game. For crying out loud, just sit back and have a cigar and cognac and WAIT for the next patch.

LUTHIER! Please take your time making us the best WW2 flight sim we will see in at least the nest 5-8 years and ignore these annoyances on the forum.
We know you and the team are doing your best and we can patiently wait like adults for your next release. Thanks again, and remember to take a few days off here and there.

No! You are wrong.

Give us a short message about the patchstatus or what they patching / fixing. Did they only patch his list of errors or did they fix our reported errors too?

[Ibis]

Oh God,
I've fallen into a kindergarten forum.
Sorry, don't think me a child molester I joined this forum by accident.
I thought it was about a flight simulator.
cheers.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by charvel

+2

wah i don't get regular updates on luthiers daily bowel movements wah wah...i'm pissed that i wasn't smart enough to wait a week before mortgaging my house to buy it wah...!!

Get some perspective, find a shelf to put clod on and use the few bucks you saved from the russian exchange rate to buy yourselves some tissues.

lol!

[ZaltysZ]

Some of you want too much. Devs won't give you premature changelog, because it can backfire (i.e. it turns out that something isn't fixed when it has been announced as fixed). In addition, game is "heavy" as software product, it takes sometime to prepare a snapshots for testing, and you need to do enough changes so that snapshots will be worth a testing. You can't just handle a new snapshot to testers every time something small is fixed - it is not effective way to work.

What do you want from devs? I am sure they can write: "We are fixing game..." every week or day, but is that really necessary? They can't always give more details. Hoping for patch every week is a bit optimistic.

P.S. If programmer gets a list of task and required time for completion, but manager constantly asks to update him on progress in detailed manner, programmer can't usually work effectively. People don't like "are we there yet?" question to be repeated endlessly.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

with all the untruths before release

Tree what are 'all the untruths' that you always go on about? Could you please link to the original posts?

We were promised by the developers more accurate flight models and damage models. We got them.

We were promised by the developers highly detailed terrain and objects. We got them.

We were told that a machine that could run IL2 1946 at maximum settings could run COD on mimimum settings, thankfully they were being overly cautious there an any people can run the sim on medium if not higher.

We were also promised dynamic weather, as far i I know we have it but most PC at this stage can't run it so you have to actually go and build a mission that's got it. How many have tried?

We have also been given a list of priorities and bugs that the developers are working towards solving. How often do you want the developers to come here and say "Sorry! Not ready yet" weekly, Daily or on the hour? Personally I'ld rather them being hard at work and tell us when they got something to show us.

Cheers!