Mods discussion, links, etc

[Maori]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Which hopefully means, that they stop to include DT's work without any asking.

Sorry but this is absurd.

Modders just mod on top of the official stock game. Have they asked permission to Oleg and 1C to do so? well, no.

Why? Because it was supposed to be an action of love towards the game, not vandalism (as some seem to see it). All this of course without any aim of profit. Also to mod is just a customization of the game. Everybody takes for granted and knows the stock game is what allows MODS to exist (let us put aside the guys that everywhere exist and like to just stirr conflict, those shouldn't count in this discussion).

So my question is: are you modders or are you the official game? Begging for permissions reminds me some petty modders. I understand the wish of a respectfull use (most reasonable people does follow such use).

In any case, if you are official, you are BEYOND and ABOVE that discourse. You are the CORE of IL2 and as such, you'll be probably modded as were other parts of the game. If you see it as disrespect, I think you are on the wrong track.

[dFrog]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

List, please. Otherwise - you are a liar.

Don't worry. Waiting for some PM's with answers to my questions.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Maori

Sorry but this is absurd.

Modders just mod on top of the official stock game. Have they asked permission to Oleg and 1C to do so? well, no.

Why? Because it was supposed to be an action of love towards the game, not vandalism (as some seem to see it). All this of course without any aim of profit. Also to mod is just a customization of the game. Everybody takes for granted and knows the stock game is what allows MODS to exist (let us put aside the guys that everywhere exist and like to just stirr conflict, those shouldn't count in this discussion).

So my question is: are you modders or are you the official game? Begging for permissions reminds me some petty modders. I understand the wish of a respectfull use (most reasonable people does follow such use).

In any case, if you are official, you are BEYOND and ABOVE that discourse. You are the CORE of IL2 and as such, you'll be probably modded as were other parts of the game. If you see it as disrespect, I think you are on the wrong track.

DT has licensing permissions with IL2 developer to make changes throughout the entire IL2 application source code. That means DT updates in every situation I am aware have also made changes in the programming, not just applying some new aircraft, object or editing some other graphic elements.

The DT updated versions should be looked upon as the CORE IL2 application, because core changes are usually part of the updates. Therefore, other 3rd party mods should be installed after DT updates and configured accordingly.

Applying mods directly to the IL2 1946 pre-DT updates might work and may never be a problem, that is dependent upon the type of mod I suggest.

It is important to understand the above distinction, and not to look on the TD as just another mod.

In practical terms... TD updated versions of IL2 are the IL2 application.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

After reading some of the earlier posts I think I must post an apology for having spent the morning acting as an "irresponsible modder". I'm sorry this is all I have to show for it.

Nice, very nice. I congratulate you on a great looking project!

[Maori]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

It is important to understand the above distinction, and not to look on the TD as just another mod.

In practical terms... TD updated versions of IL2 are the IL2 application.

I am glad we agree, that is exactly what I mean

[Hans Burger]

OK, Nearmiss, I understand your definition between you and modders, but it is just definition and not what is done on FB...

Modding is not limited to change aircraft, maps, effects but also modding change IL2 core by adding/modifying new java class and sometimes new dlls... I suppose, as an example, that adding triggers, AI visibility,… are done by this way.

For me, distinctions are not so evident and in any case, do not reflect present situation.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Hans Burger

OK, Nearmiss, I understand your definition between you and modders, but it is just definition and not what is done on FB...

Modding is not limited to change aircraft, maps, effects but also modding change IL2 core by adding/modifying new java class and sometimes new dlls... I suppose, as an example, that adding triggers, AI visibility,… are done by this way.

For me, distinctions are not so evident and in any case, do not reflect present situation.

I don't disagree with what you are saying, because there are competent mod programmers.

I'm saying for best course of action to avoid issues the TD versions are the authorized licensed versions. That always provides a starting basis that will have consistency as updating progresses.

I wouldn't dispute other mod programmers ability to work with the core programming. I'm just saying for good communication and less problems in working with modified versions of the original IL2 the TD is licensed by developer to work with core (no one else is, that I know of).

If users stick with TD updated versions as core then 3rd party modifications would work appropriately, if the 3rd party developers make sure their mods work with the respective authorized updated versions of IL2 (*TD updated versions).

It would be terrible for users to try to work around all the different modified versions of Il2 that would be available otherwise.

There has to be some basis for the core application that is maintained consistently and competently as IL2 is updated and modified, which was the original developer's reasoning for licensing permissions to TD.

The TD isn't compensated for their work, and I'm sure if a core or update code change by a non-TD member shares his/her work it would be scrutinized by TD and applied to updates.

No one or group of persons has a corner on good ideas... just not possible.

[bf-110]

IDK if IL2 engine can be hacked (that's a strong,nearly perjorative word here,sorry) to the point that Mach 1 and 2 jets,heat and radar seeking missiles and countermeasures can be implemented on the game without making all of them cheesy.

Great model!I hope it can be used by TD,as I saw some awesome Graf Zeppelin and Aquila models in SAS that could make it's way to 4.11?

And I know what is "no way" to be ingame.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by dFrog

Don't worry. Waiting for some PM's with answers to my questions.

So, you say, you put forth an acquisition on public without having any proof, but a foul rumor? How nice of you...

Originally Posted by Maori

Sorry but this is absurd.

Modders just mod on top of the official stock game. Have they asked permission to Oleg and 1C to do so? well, no.

Sorry, but in game models, textures, or program code is an intellectual property of it's developers, or respective copyright owners. Distributing them, or portions of them in a projects, other, then original one without original copyright owner permission is illegal in EU, North America and most of the CIS countries (at least).
1C might had reasons not to pursue the violators, DT might have reasons to do so.

[Hans Burger]

1C might had reasons not to pursue the violators, DT might have reasons to do so.

I am a little bit surprised by the logic and the purpose:
1) a new topic on 1C forum is open to discuss mod,
2) after 4 or 5 pages, we are at level of menace ...

?????
Strange to go in this way since 1C do nothing about this and DT also after 4.09 and 4.10 versions. Strange to go in this way since up to now new releases are free and put international pursuit for something which is free is not very understandable. Except if next versions will be done as payed addons for example.
This kind of menace is not done to continue to discuss about mods on 1C forum nor, for modders, to collaborate with DT.