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[dFrog]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Which hopefully means, that they stop to include DT's work without any asking. I'd really like to see them going their own way.

Well, they're not alone. Remember Flakiten's flares ? And that's not the only one case.

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

I am for honesty and truth. Even if it hurts.

Me too, see above.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by dFrog

Well, they're not alone. Remember Flakiten's flares ? And that's not the only one case.

List, please. Otherwise - you are a liar.

[dFrog]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

List, please. Otherwise - you are a liar.

Don't worry. Waiting for some PM's with answers to my questions.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by dFrog

Don't worry. Waiting for some PM's with answers to my questions.

So, you say, you put forth an acquisition on public without having any proof, but a foul rumor? How nice of you...

Originally Posted by Maori

Sorry but this is absurd.

Modders just mod on top of the official stock game. Have they asked permission to Oleg and 1C to do so? well, no.

Sorry, but in game models, textures, or program code is an intellectual property of it's developers, or respective copyright owners. Distributing them, or portions of them in a projects, other, then original one without original copyright owner permission is illegal in EU, North America and most of the CIS countries (at least).
1C might had reasons not to pursue the violators, DT might have reasons to do so.

[Hans Burger]

1C might had reasons not to pursue the violators, DT might have reasons to do so.

I am a little bit surprised by the logic and the purpose:
1) a new topic on 1C forum is open to discuss mod,
2) after 4 or 5 pages, we are at level of menace ...

?????
Strange to go in this way since 1C do nothing about this and DT also after 4.09 and 4.10 versions. Strange to go in this way since up to now new releases are free and put international pursuit for something which is free is not very understandable. Except if next versions will be done as payed addons for example.
This kind of menace is not done to continue to discuss about mods on 1C forum nor, for modders, to collaborate with DT.

[bf-110]

It's something you will get used.If you open a polemic thread here,someone comes trolling and then in retaliation,a second person comes beating everyone.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Hans Burger

I am a little bit surprised by the logic and the purpose:
1) a new topic on 1C forum is open to discuss mod,
2) after 4 or 5 pages, we are at level of menace

I'll try to get things clear (once again) for the people, who don't care to understand what is it all about through reading other people messages.

DT has nothing against mods for the IL-2 game. DT does not care, if people want to produce their own mod packs. UNTIL this mod packs do not contain models, textures, or program code portions, designed by DT and included into those mod packs without DT's permission.

Certain persons in the mod community, however, openly declare, they will include components, created by DT into their mod packs and do not feel themselves obliged to ask the permission.
DT will not tolerate such happenings.
That is all I am talking about.

[Maori]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

1C might had reasons not to pursue the violators, DT might have reasons to do so.

Oh, how mature

Grow up!

You talk like all those dick-lawyer heads that have made so much harm to this world.

Mods are not like stealing intellectual property because:

1) they are installed on the same game they come from
2) they do not generate any profit except for the original makers of the game since it sells more
3) they are just a customization of the game, which ONLY works on those PCs that have the LEGITIMATE STOCK game already installed. They are NOT a standalone thing.

Also, may I add that "intelectual property" is a very VERY suspicious entity. You may have contributed original work, OK, I agree, and you should certainly be recognized for it in a fair way... now you did so by using a LOT of knowledge given by human culture, which is NOT of YOUR property. How dare you now claiming 100% property on intellectual products? Highly offensive pretension.

Some highly egoistic companies have genetically modified corn to then claim property over it, when corn was develloped by mesoamerican cultures thousands of years ago. Now these very same people that developped the corn FOR FREE have to pay to a private company for something a stupid lawyer claims they own? Criminal and shamefull attitude if you ask me.

I am really sad to see you are showing a similar attitude.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Maori

Grow up!

Talking to yourself? That's a bad sign.

Originally Posted by Maori

Mods are not like stealing intellectual property because:

1) they are installed on the same game they come from

Absolutely correct. Until you do it, using genuine developments (which are: built by you 3D models, painted by you textures, designed by you program code, etc.). You can also distribute freely this mods and it would be absolutely legal.

But, if you take someone's else development (3D models, textures, program code, etc.), from another game, or another mod for the same game and distribute it as your own creation, without original author (or copyright owner) permission - now this is copyright infringement, is not legal and can be pursued by original copyright owner with any available legal means.
This stands up, even if you used only a portion of someone's else work without authorization from this person.

Originally Posted by Maori

2) they do not generate any profit except for the original makers of the game since it sells more

Profitability is irrelevant to the matter.

Originally Posted by Maori

Also, may I add that "intelectual property" is a very VERY suspicious entity.

No, you may not.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

1C might had reasons not to pursue the violators, DT might have reasons to do so.

... what are you waiting for to do it then ...??

... on what grounds would you do it ? ... loss of profit ...???

... does the contract you (still ??) have with 1C entitle you to do so ...???

Can't you just admit once and for all that the modders that greatly revamped OUR (because we BOUGHT it) beloved sim and allowed it to still be alive 10 years after it was released are by no way the ennemies of IL2-46, on the contrary ...!!