Spitfire going the wrong direction...

[senseispcc]

Originally Posted by IvanK

Exactly as I indicated in my post use the 4 steps. Determine current heading from the main compass, then set the DG on that heading .... then turn on to your desired heading using the DG.... thats exactly how its meant to work and exactly how it works in game.

If you dont want to use the mouse then set the appropriate keybindings to adjust the compass and DG courses.

Give US then thousand pages of technical manual to fly this things?! NO? how strange!

[BadAim]

There's lots of stuff we are having to learn on our own and/or with other peoples help. I for one appreciate Ivan's help here. The biggest problem I'm having is to get a decent view of the compass, it must have been a total "pita" in the real Spit to update the gyro in flight.

[senseispcc]

Originally Posted by BadAim

There's lots of stuff we are having to learn on our own and/or with other peoples help. I for one appreciate Ivan's help here. The biggest problem I'm having is to get a decent view of the compass, it must have been a total "pita" in the real Spit to update the gyro in flight.

Thus the need for a complet Manual. Thanks for your help but I shall take fly training to play a game

[BadAim]

That's the whole point there matey! CloD isn't just another flying game, it's among, if not the most advanced flight simulators ever made for the general public (bugs notwithstanding). It's supposed to take some time to learn, it should right well be damn hard to get the hang of, if it's doing it's job right, you'll have to turn to mates with more experience to help out.

CloD is simulating the bleeding edge military weapons of their day, and they commonly killed their own pilots at an alarming rate, (at one point the Luftwaffe was loosing just as many pilots to accidents as to the allies!). This stuff is supposed to be hard. Enjoy it, your stepping into history.

And by the way, I agree 100% that we need a more comprehensive manual. It just may fall on us (this community) to write it.

[senseispcc]

Originally Posted by BadAim

That's the whole point there matey! CloD isn't just another flying game, it's among, if not the most advanced flight simulators ever made for the general public (bugs notwithstanding). It's supposed to take some time to learn, it should right well be damn hard to get the hang of, if it's doing it's job right, you'll have to turn to mates with more experience to help out.

CloD is simulating the bleeding edge military weapons of their day, and they commonly killed their own pilots at an alarming rate, (at one point the Luftwaffe was loosing just as many pilots to accidents as to the allies!). This stuff is supposed to be hard. Enjoy it, your stepping into history.

And by the way, I agree 100% that we need a more comprehensive manual. It just may fall on us (this community) to write it.

When do you start?

[squidgyb]

That's really not a pleasant attitude to take mate - be a little respectful, these guys are actually trying to help you - but not spoon feed you.

I'd like a decent manual as much as the next man (and for comparison I own the KA-50 manual - while I haven't seen one of the legendary Falcon 4.0 bound manuals, the KA-50 manual is a glorious piece of work, and more of a concentrated encyclopaedia entry on modern attack helicopters and the KA-50's systems) - I'm prepared to wait for either 1c/Dev team to produce an official one, for the community to make one, or to learn myself.

Without the expectation that others will do it for me.

[senseispcc]

Originally Posted by squidgyb

That's really not a pleasant attitude to take mate - be a little respectful, these guys are actually trying to help you - but not spoon feed you.

Without the expectation that others will do it for me.

A little respect is due to me also!!!
Ok like always this forum is going to hell, I find their attitude very respectful for someone that is searching to understand the subject they could not explain, if you think they are the one being badly treated I should think twice. Banish me and I shall be happy to be out of this elitist fantasy world.
I am very crossed with your attitude is this a totalitarian society where when you are not happy; DIE! or be silent do not make any fuzz.
When you try to explain something, try to do it for a thing you know of!



Extract from a site that tries to explain the Spitfire compass;

http://spitfiresite.com/2009/03/swin...e-compass.html

Anonymous early Spitfire Mk. I on compass swing, location unknown. This view shows to advantage the dinstinctive features of the earliest production Spitfires Mk. I: wooden two-blade propeller, unarmoured windscreen, straight cockpit canopy, thin and tall aerial mast and (barely visible) rudder horn balance guard.

Compass swinging was a rather time-consuming task which could be simplified considerably by placing an aircraft on a rotating platform such as this. With a fitter sitting in the cockpit and the aircraft in flight-ready configuration, the engine was started and then the platform aligned so that the aircraft faced the 0 degree (north) heading. Then the fitter would check if the aircraft magnetic compass was in alignment with the magnetic north. If not, he would adjust the compensator screws with a non-magnetic screwdriver until the compass read 0 degrees. Then the procedure would be repeated for the 90-degree (east), 180 (south) and 270-degree (west) headings.

After these adjustments the compass was checked once again by turning it around stopping at each 30-degree heading and recording the compass readings, fine-tuning the compensator screws to ensure that there was no more than a few degrees difference between any of the indicated headings on the compass and the actual heading.
[Crown Copyright, via Jenny Scott]

[nearmiss]

The manual has never been the strong point with IL2 either.

There have always been discussions about issues not covered in the actual docs for IL2.

Many people will be creating articles and information documents over time.

So, if anyone expects to buy the BOB COD and read a 1000+ pages of documentation you'll do better to go with an older sim where users have created enlargements to documents.

Most of us would rather the developer spent the time and money on improvements to the sim. We don't have to know all the little sweaky stuff, just the more important things that need clarification to basically use the sim.

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by senseispcc

A little respect is due to me also!!!
Ok like always this forum is going to hell, I find their attitude very respectful for someone that is searching to understand the subject they could not explain, if you think they are the one being badly treated I should think twice. Banish me and I shall be happy to be out of this elitist fantasy world.
I am very crossed with your attitude is this a totalitarian society where when you are not happy; DIE! or be silent do not make any fuzz.
When you try to explain something, try to do it for a thing you know of!



Extract from a site that tries to explain the Spitfire compass;

http://spitfiresite.com/2009/03/swin...e-compass.html

Anonymous early Spitfire Mk. I on compass swing, location unknown. This view shows to advantage the dinstinctive features of the earliest production Spitfires Mk. I: wooden two-blade propeller, unarmoured windscreen, straight cockpit canopy, thin and tall aerial mast and (barely visible) rudder horn balance guard.

Compass swinging was a rather time-consuming task which could be simplified considerably by placing an aircraft on a rotating platform such as this. With a fitter sitting in the cockpit and the aircraft in flight-ready configuration, the engine was started and then the platform aligned so that the aircraft faced the 0 degree (north) heading. Then the fitter would check if the aircraft magnetic compass was in alignment with the magnetic north. If not, he would adjust the compensator screws with a non-magnetic screwdriver until the compass read 0 degrees. Then the procedure would be repeated for the 90-degree (east), 180 (south) and 270-degree (west) headings.

After these adjustments the compass was checked once again by turning it around stopping at each 30-degree heading and recording the compass readings, fine-tuning the compensator screws to ensure that there was no more than a few degrees difference between any of the indicated headings on the compass and the actual heading.
[Crown Copyright, via Jenny Scott]

That procedure is Compass swinging and is common to ANY magnetic compass in pretty much any aircraft. Compass swinging is an engineering task to remove or quantify compass errors produced by magnetic structures in the aircraft itself. Most errors can be removed by tiny compensation magnets in the compass body itself. For those that cant then a Steering sheet is provided. This typically lists the small heading corrections required to fly a specific heading. Like to Fly Heading 030 Steerr 032 etc. Even your Airliners today have these.

[whoarmongar]

What they are doing is aligning the compass. You are not expected to do this in CoD.
In COD your compass is aligned, the needle points north.
What you are expected to do is line up your coursesetter (the tram lines) to your already aligned compass , stage 1.
then you take this reading and input it into your directional gyro ( the readout on your dashboard inconveniently hidden behind the stick) stage2.
It takes about 15seconds to do this. just make it a preflight ritual, It gives you something to do while you wait for your engines to warm up.