Warning: This game is on the edge. Support it or watch it die.

[smink1701]

Don't believe I used the word "radical."

From Oleg..." There should be major first fixes for the microfrizes. Then in time will be big patch and as usual in the past with Il-2 series releases who still remeber it - with some new content I think. Maybe in a month or so. At least I think so."

Maybe I should have stated "BIG PATCH" vs "MAJOR." My bad

LOL I'm just teasing and being a git, just saw the great news about this latest patch back in the main area, Major might be well right if they keep going as they are

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Kano_Magnus

I don't understand why this community finds it so hard to accept that people are angry about being sold an unfinished game (without warning) at full price, especially as digital customers can't take their copy back to the shop. If the developers wanted us to be playtesters then perhaps they should have organised a scheme where people could have volunteered rather than be charged £/€/$40 for the privilege. As a Steam customer I have no choice but to stick with the game; that said I doubt I shall be buying any games released by 1C/Ubisoft in the foreseeable future.

Thats just it, we get it, we got it now, what, 1 gazillion times.

Give it a rest already.



Dont mean u in particular.

[thesean]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

Salute

If you haven't seen them already, the reviews in German gaming magazines, on Gamespot and PC Gamer have panned the game.

Maybe those reviews were deserved, but the fact is, if this game goes under, no one is going to suffer but us flight simmers.

All those posters on these boards who I see whining and complaining better understand something:

If this game goes under, you will have nothing to do but whine. No game, no development, NOTHING.

The only smart thing to do at this point is to support the developers, give them POSITIVE feedback on issues.

Don't harp on issues which have been mentioned a hundred times, there is no point.

Unless you WANT the game to fail.

I personally have bought a copy online, and will be buying another hard copy in the stores when it arrives.

DO NOT KID YOURSELF. THIS GAME IS ON THE EDGE.

Your right, they do deserve everything they get and the bad reviews. Some body (UBI/1C) has to learn something from this. I am fan of the IL series for ten years and I don't feel I owe them anything with this release, they have made a complete and utter balls of it. I still cant even buy a boxed copy of the game over a month after release (never mind all the problems im likely to have when I actually get to play it), no retailer even knows about it. So don't worry about bad reviews as no one can buy it anyway unless they go through steam.

It will be disappointing if this game fails, but hell, this is the best time ever for flight simmers (DCS series, Rise of Flight) so if it does go under I don't really care, there are a lot of other sims for me to play. And if it does go under they have none to blame but themselves. I'm sure 777 would be only too happy to step in and steal the WW2 sim market with a sequel to Rise Of Flight, and I would gladly support them.

Personally I don't think it will "go under" as IL has too much of an underground community to have that happen and if it does happen its beacuse 1C or UBI decide to pull support/funding. It wont be because of the flight simmers, bad reviews or forum complaints.

[kimosabi]

I want one dollar for every repetitive argument over the unfinished game pl0x!

Srsly, it IS getting old you guys. SO if you have posted your argument in a thread, please for the sake of us old hags, limit your repetitions to 2, maybe 3.

[bkdamon]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

I want one dollar for every repetitive argument over the unfinished game pl0x!

Srsly, it IS getting old you guys. SO if you have posted your argument in a thread, please for the sake of us old hags, limit your repetitions to 2, maybe 3.

+1

[Les]

Originally Posted by Kano_Magnus

I don't understand why this community finds it so hard to accept that people are angry about being sold an unfinished game (without warning) at full price, especially as digital customers can't take their copy back to the shop. If the developers wanted us to be playtesters then perhaps they should have organised a scheme where people could have volunteered rather than be charged £/€/$40 for the privilege. As a Steam customer I have no choice but to stick with the game; that said I doubt I shall be buying any games released by 1C/Ubisoft in the foreseeable future.

I can't speak for the community as a whole, but here are some things to consider.

When you buy a game through Steam, you should be doing so knowing you have practically no way of getting a refund, so if you're going to take that gamble (and it is always a gamble, regardless of the game and the odds that it will work out alright) you can't then turn around and complain if it doesn't work out for you, it was your choice. So if you do then complain about that aspect of it, you're probably going to piss some people off.

When you're buying a combat flight sim made by Maddox Games, you're buying something that will never be finished. It's always going to be a work in progress. Not just in terms of content, but useability. They've got about ten years worth of history with their previous IL-2 series to back this up. If you bought into the new series not knowing that, then you just didn't know what you were buying into, and complaining about it, is probably going to piss some people off.

Not even giving Maddox Games a chance to patch and improve the game and essentially crying over spilled milk by complaining about the initial release state of the game, is pointless and disrespectful and inconsiderate, and is probably going to piss some people off.

A lot of people were calling for the game to be released even when it was stated as being in beta stage. And while a lot of end-users were happy to wait for the development to take as long as it had to, someone forced it out the door before it was ready. One of the results was, some people who hadn't done their research, and who didn't know the history of the development of this and the prior series, got caught in the cross-fire, and bought something without waiting to read the reviews on it, only to find it wasn't what they thought it was going to be. Complaining about that, is probably going to piss some people off.

The game, or sim, while not complete, is currently quite playable and enjoyable for a lot of end-users. Having the game continually and relentlessly represented as a totally unplayable mess with no redeeming features, is probably going to piss some people off.

Again, I can't speak for the community, but I think everyone here understands what it's like to buy a game you can't even play or that just doesn't provide you with the kind of experience you wanted from it. It's annoying, it can make you angry.

But when two people buy the same game and one thinks it's the best thing ever and one thinks it's the worst thing ever, which person would you rather hear from? Especially on the forums for that game. Especially when you're one of the ones who thinks the game is the best thing ever, or that it could be if the developers get the opportunity to make it so. Especially when some of those doing the complaining don't even have the f***** game, and when others are stating their intention to not get it (and therefore to not support it's ongoing development) until their particular want is satisfied, while others give every indication of not being able to stop complaining regardless of what the developers do for them. I think that is what the community is having trouble accepting. Some of the forum-members are more bug-f***ed than the game. Or so it seems at times.

Most of us want the sim to succeed, and not just for purely selfish reasons. And I personally would like to see refunds freely given to all that want them, (and even to some of those who don't want them come to think of it, those who think that spending however much it was on the game entitles them to a directorship of Maddox Games, or of IL-2 development anyway), just to make them go away

No, I don't mean that. As others have stated, if the blind fanboyism ever gets to the point where legitimate complaints and concerns aren't airable here, then we'll have just gone too far the other way. I'd just rather see a bit more balanced and considered thinking here on the forums, instead of so much reactionary knee-jerk negativity. But then that's just as much about me exercising my own patience and practicing what I preach I guess, so...

[JG14_Jagr]

Originally Posted by BP_Tailspin

Everyone that dished out fifty bucks is suffering now …

Could you please describe the "Suffering" that has been caused by your spending of that $50. The $50 you apparently had no critical use for and spent on a game.. Lets at least be honest here.. "Suffering?" Come on...

[ATAG_Doc]

I encourage everyone to purchase a second copy and "share the wealth" with a friend. Or a random person on the street. Just hand it to them and tell them it will change their lives.

[Sven]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

that is a very important comment.

i cant bring myself to be that supportive fanboy. because to support this you cant sit back and see what happens or is that infact what supporting means. . but iam afraid that is all we can do for many different reasons including not getting on peoples nerves at this forum. and well im not a fanboy. Or am i ? im not sure anymore. and im not perfectly content enough to get anywhere near supportive. so... this post is now irelevant isnt it ?

my support comes in the form of my quietness now in the belief that there is nothing i can do to make this outcome positive other than pay more money out to people like ubisoft. im happy for it to go directly to 1C btw.

what support can we possibly give out of interest because game review sites dont take into account fanboyism really. yet the scores are in low low figures. Its not us that has to support this over than buying it. Its 1C and Ubisoft. the ball is in there court. whilst 1 of thee parties will do the work the other wont. simple as that.

Are ubisoft running around generating support for 1C ? shed some light 1C developers. what are ubisoft exactly doing for you other than getting in the way at every junction ?

Support has many meanings and support knows many forms, being silent is one of them. The way I see it is: If you have bought the game then you've done your part to keep it going, if you return it to the store have you failed the series, or have the devs failed you? Both I say, returning the sim to the store isn't going to help getting a better sim either, it does leave a message that there's something wrong with the game, but I'm pretty sure that Luthier and co got that message already

My thoughts about Ubisoft: After so many 'false' release dates there should've been a lot of advertisement made ready, right? I don't really get it why so little advertisement and effort was put out by Ubi, or Ubisoft never saw the light in the sim in the first place, reducing their costs as much as possible and rely on the old IL2 crowd to at least cover the expenses made by the devs, and then drop the series once it's released, to get rid of it and step out of the dying flight sim market. Pure speculation, to be honest I don't think the situation is that negative, but after SH5 the thumbs down remain carved in my thoughts about Ubi.

I'm not pointing my finger, just a general message.