BF109 - Can't we just have the gunsight in the middle?

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

were the gunsights made by Zeiss?

if so the photography methodology was used... keep both eyes open looking through the view finder

The most German gunsights were made by Revi. The one in Bf 109's are Revis too.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

@Krupi: guess what, I tried this indeed yesterday, shifting with mouse to set the view. When I go back to trackir I am automatically shifted back to centre cockpit view. It simply does NOT work. So this advice is useless.

If you are using Track IR then yes it jumps back.

To center the sight with track ir just lean to the left and center track ir. This way when you stop leaning you will be positioned behind the sights.

[drewpee]

Not that this helps, but it's pretty neat don't you think?
http://youtu.be/Blem3FlkaMc

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

Lixma, please go physics and explain it in an understandable way why it should be so. I still don't get it why out of miracle the opposing half of the circle should appear in the middle of nowhere.

Okay try this....

Here's an Apache driver's Helmet Mounted Sight (HMS). It projects the HUD and other stuff into one eye only.



And yet the Apache drivers have two eyes...binocular vision.

So what does the Apache pilot see when he's flying around?

Is it this....?



Or is it this.....?




And so with the Revi.

The Revi is installed on the 109 to project its reticle onto one eye only (the right one in our case).

And yet Luftwaffe pilots has two eyes....binocular vision.

So what would our Luftwaffe pilot have seen while flying around?

Something like this...?




Or this.....?

[b101uk]

Well all that need to be established is the width of the reflector glass (thus its centre) (which is suspect is wider than >3” (>75mm) ) and the aperture thus FOV of the rectical which will denote if a pilot could use his brain to merge the 2 images (left eye cannot see the rectical when the right can) or if he was required to lean a little &/or close one eye etc.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Daniël

The most German gunsights were made by Revi. The one in Bf 109's are Revis too.

I could be wrong but revi is a shortened reflex vision? (whatever that was in german)


*Edit...

Reflexvisier

Originally Posted by Lixma

Or in the middle....BF-110.

Here's a (very) rough mock up of what the 109 pilot would see (assuming he wasn't a Cyclops). Never mind this leaning over to the right nonsense. If CoD wants to be as realistic as possible then this is what we should have.

Why isn't this post getting more love? The 109 gunsight lined up with the gunners right eye and stereoscopic sight compensated for the rest. This really is what a 109 gun sight should display if this SIMULATION is SIMULATING a pilot with TWO EYES.

The fact is, no matter how realistic a sim is, it must compensate at least just a bit for the fact that this simulation is being displayed on a two dimensional display (don't get me started on 3D displays that only use one of the ten visual cues to simulate human stereoscopic vision) with image resolution that falls far below the image quality of the average human with two eyes.

The fact is that a human being with eyesight comparable to viewing the world through the best computer display available on the market wouldn't have the vision requirements to be a combat pilot in WWII seems to be a fact that a lot of people here seem to ignore.

[drewpee]

Well said Evil Joven

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Okay try this....

Here's an Apache driver's Helmet Mounted Sight (HMS). It projects the HUD and other stuff into one eye only.



And yet the Apache drivers have two eyes...binocular vision.

So what does the Apache pilot see when he's flying around?

Is it this....?



Or is it this.....?




And so with the Revi.

The Revi is installed on the 109 to project its reticle onto one eye only (the right one in our case).

And yet Luftwaffe pilots has two eyes....binocular vision.

So what would our Luftwaffe pilot have seen while flying around?

Something like this...?




Or this.....?

Comparing a ww2 gunsight to that of a modern helicopter whose operator has to be trained to use the sight like you are showing it very clever!!!

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Comparing a ww2 gunsight to that of a modern helicopter whose operator has to be trained to use the sight like you are showing it very clever!!!

It is, because the concept behind both gun sights is nearly identical; the sight is only viewable by one eye and yet, due to the the way the human brain processes stereoscopic vision the image will appear to be displayed in front of both eyes as long as both are open.