Cliffs of Dover Is The Best. But Some Of You Don't Appreciate It.

[Blue Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Zoom2136

Amen brother!!!

As Chivas said constructive critisim is a great thing, just pilling in the negative comments helps nothing. We all know that Oleg as a veru good reputation. He will deliver. They propbably just needed the cash to do so.

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

[SNAFU]

Originally Posted by Blue Scorpion

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

I second that, but only because I am looking for a disctraction from work...

I refrained from buying CoD until last Sunday, because I did not want to support UBI, which I thoutht to be the driving factor for the situation we are in. Finally I bought it via Steam, because I want to support simulation software developent generally. I also installed it, set all setting on max and tested a littel. London was flyable with around 25 FPS in low altitudes. LeHavre wasn´t, down to 12 FPS. Over sea I got 160+FPS (i know meaningless). Above 2000m the landscape looks messed up on highest settings, no joy. I don´t mention the stutters I had even with 80FPS indicated by FRAPS. What surprised me, was that my CPU workload never was higher than 25%, well, RAM was not visable touched (I7 2600 at stock 3,4GHz/1333MHz 8GB RAM/ ATI 6950-2GB). I don´t mind that, I was expecting this, so what? But I will not waste my time with CTDs, tinkering my system, just to get frustrated by random bugs of an faulty products. That`s the job of testers.

So, I would have even give the team 100 Euro or more, if they would have frankly said something like: " Hey folks. We faced some problems, we didn´t expect, we made mistakes in management and some wrong decisions, but we learnt a lot and at the end of the day, we didn´t meet our objective and the market is unforgiving. We would like to finish the programm, but we ran out of money. We give you access to the alpha-Version for a donation of 100€..."

But the way they choose to go, is unprofessional IMHO and not really satisfying. I have doubts, as the ones raised by Blue Scorpion.

I donated, bought a lizence for the product and hope they will continue support and overcome their problems in their management, in their software and their product. But I am not that naive to suppose that their success is granted. I will check again in 6 months or a year.

But now back to RoF...

[Baron]

Originally Posted by SNAFU

I second that, but only because I am looking for a disctraction from work...

I refrained from buying CoD until last Sunday, because I did not want to support UBI, which I thoutht to be the driving factor for the situation we are in. Finally I bought it via Steam, because I want to support simulation software developent generally. I also installed it, set all setting on max and tested a littel. London was flyable with around 25 FPS in low altitudes. LeHavre wasn´t, down to 12 FPS. Over sea I got 160+FPS (i know meaningless). Above 2000m the landscape looks messed up on highest settings, no joy. I don´t mention the stutters I had even with 80FPS indicated by FRAPS. What surprised me, was that my CPU workload never was higher than 25%, well, RAM was not visable touched (I7 2600 at stock 3,4GHz/1333MHz 8GB RAM/ ATI 6950-2GB). I don´t mind that, I was expecting this, so what? But I will not waste my time with CTDs, tinkering my system, just to get frustrated by random bugs of an faulty products. That`s the job of testers.

So, I would have even give the team 100 Euro or more, if they would have frankly said something like: " Hey folks. We faced some problems, we didn´t expect, we made mistakes in management and some wrong decisions, but we learnt a lot and at the end of the day, we didn´t meet our objective and the market is unforgiving. We would like to finish the programm, but we ran out of money. We give you access to the alpha-Version for a donation of 100€..."

But the way they choose to go, is unprofessional IMHO and not really satisfying. I have doubts, as the ones raised by Blue Scorpion.

I donated, bought a lizence for the product and hope they will continue support and overcome their problems in their management, in their software and their product. But I am not that naive to suppose that their success is granted. I will check again in 6 months or a year.

But now back to RoF...

No offence, but refusing to tinker with your system, hardware and software wise and then blame CoD development team for boching the job is, well, misplaced to say the least.

For ex, Windows 7 Aero is a recourse hog in it self and its common sense to turn it of if u want the maximum out of your system when playing a extreemly demanding game,what ever game it may be.

Blaming the developer for NOT providing u with a "fix" for it is not, however, common sense.


Besides, when people with "uber" pc`s (everyone thinks they have one) have problems and the next guy, with a lesser system isnt having problems (besides the obvious buggs naturally), tell me, where does the problem lies, according to u (and others off course)

[SNAFU]

Originally Posted by Baron

No offence, but refusing to tinker with your system, hardware and software wise and then blame CoD development team for boching the job is, well, misplaced to say the least.

For ex, Windows 7 Aero is a recourse hog in it self and its common sense to turn it of if u want the maximum out of your system when playing a extreemly demanding game,what ever game it may be.

Blaming the developer for NOT providing u with a "fix" for it is not, however, common sense.


Besides, when people with "uber" pc`s (everyone thinks they have one) have problems and the next guy, with a lesser system isnt having problems (besides the obvious buggs naturally), tell me, where does the problem lies, according to u (and others off course)

I never demanded a fix and didn´t blame anyone for bad performance. I know it would run sufficiently (regarding performance) on my system if I would tinker around. Sorry, if that was the sound. But I avoid this way, because I expect many things to be changed in all ways (FM/DM, CEM, graphic options, ME, menu handling etc) and I will not go through the frustration of my squadmates are going through (I hear on TS), trying to play (not to test) the game. I decided to wait and start, when it gets obvious that the issues were dealt with and settled, so I do not have to change my config every week. That is no problem for me, I can wait one more year after waiting so many.

Many other repeat and repeat, that finally this will be the best sim, that is their opinion and ok for them. But I just wanted to point out that, this is speculation, even if the team keeps on going like they are now, the list is long and the road looks steep. In the last weeks, the team looked like “trying to make a software, which is by is own developed for the state of art hardware, running on 3 years old hardware”. That is not always possible and gives them a hard time. Too many compromises and ears for the crowd are finally messing more up, then settling them. And I simply have no proof available, in which I would trust, that the problems will finally be overcome and wonder why so many praise and praise a product, which was sold as a finished product, and now find themselves in the role of Beta-Testers.

The only thing I would blame is the marketing strategy and the way of puplishing choosen by the team.

[Baron]

I agree on several things.

For me personally, i hope we get a proper QMB that works like its suppose to and working multiplayer. To unstable as it is now.

Feels like join servers from within the game is whats causes the problems. Best thing would be HL. Always worked (well, 90% of the time at least.). But i guess HL is out of the question now with Steam lurking in the background no matter what.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Blue Scorpion

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

Oleg have NOT washed his hands and left the building, i couldn't even if he wanted to.

And thats more or less quoted from Luthier.


Besides, everyone assumes Oleg is the only one who knows what he is doing, he havent done all this by him self u know.

[SNAFU]

Originally Posted by Baron

Oleg have NOT washed his hands and left the building, i couldn't even if he wanted to.

And thats more or less quoted from Luthier.


Besides, everyone assumes Oleg is the only one who knows what he is doing, he havent done all this by him self u know.

That is what we hope, but if you judge by the facts at hand, you have a product which does not meet the requirements and standards as advertised.

Even if the team works it`s butts off in 24/7 shifts (which I do not doubt), it is not granted that the problems will be solved. Time will show, until then it is understandable that some voice doubts and question the faith, which is widely defended by good will but not by facts.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by SNAFU

That is what we hope, but if you judge by the facts at hand, you have a product which does not meet the requirements and standards as advertised.

Even if the team works it`s butts off in 24/7 shifts (which I do not doubt), it is not granted that the problems will be solved. Time will show, until then it is understandable that some voice doubts and question the faith, which is widely defended by good will but not by facts.

Thruth? I didnt, with my wildest expectations think that i could fly in CoD with all the settings on max more or less, 2 weeks after release.

Hell u couldnt even do that with IL2 1-2 years ago, or even today, depending on your system.

Anyone claiming to run IL2 100% maxed out on a Q6600 and gtx 260 is talking out of his hat. Over a major city, forget it.

Glas half empty vs glas half full

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Blue Scorpion

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

Oleg is gone........ so?

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

There is no reason you should be constantly banging your head against the wall screaming that this won`t be as good as the IL2 Sturmovik. Luthier has been behind things AFAIK since Aces Expansion Pack so he qualifies as "the driving force". If you negate the potential of this title being any good in the future, just leave. Simple. You aren`t changing anyone`s opinion anyway.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

As of TODAY, I have spent a total of 40€ to play this game. That is all I payed for giving those folks some slack. Payed for their jobs and payed them to work in the future. Now those who have stayed with IL2 since 2001 have every right and proof to say that the game will be great, in some time. Meanwhile, those complaining are doing just that - complaining. You must be quite a sad person to get a spazmatic cry over 40€.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

Constructive criticism is always welcome. Your post is just another example of a person who needs to get a life, because obviously he doesn`t have anything else to do in his sad existance other than to sit in front of a pc.
I understand your life is shaterred.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Meanwhile, those complaining are doing just that - complaining. You must be quite a sad person to get a spazmatic cry over 40€.

wake up princess, average salary in croatia is around 680 €, with growing unemployment rate (we are the worst in this part of teh world now), with loans for flats ("given" from greedy foreign banks), all the expenses, 1L of gasoline costs 1.4 euros, you are left with almost nothing....and I have to pay full price not like in russia for cheaper...
SO YEAH 40€ is a luxury here...yep, it is a big deal mate....
BUT, I never "whined" because of the money but because CLOD was ADVERTISED (movies etc) as comopleted products.....and what we got? Look at my post at "mini update from devs"
I will wait till USA release, by then we will know what we will have on long terms....if they fail I wouldnt cry, I would sell or trash the epic failure of the game and still will be able to enjoy in old IL2, you know new UP and HSFX modes are on the horizon....its a different game now...