Fiat G.50 performance...

[madrebel]

Originally Posted by DC338

Pity there is Belgian airfields in the game. Why model the planes if they have nowhere historical to operate from? Not a huge oversight, though it is odd. Why model italian aircraft that flew a total of 883 sorties, yet leave out the Do-17 and the E-4 it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me from a BoB sense, in a med campaign for the future I guess it does.

because it is cool? idk the do17 was a much larger contributor than the ju88 however is anyone going to argue which is a better/cooler plane?

the mind boggles on the E4 as well i don't quite understand that one either but w.e just more stuff for modders to include.

[fruitbat]

not to mention the E1, which certainly through june july and aug was the most common 109 in the air.


Hooton in Eagle in Flames gives the percentage losses of 109s by subtype:

July
E1 - 44%
E3 - 30%
E4 - 20%

August
E1 - 40%
E3 - 8%
E4 - 52%

September
E1 - 38%
E3 - 1%
E4 - 61%

October
E1 - 36%
E3 - 2%
E4 - 62%

and from Kurfust, over at ubi a while ago,

"I have some actual numbers. On 31 August 1940, fighter units (excluding JG 77) reported 375 E-1s, 125 E-3s, 339 E-4s and 32 E-7s on strength, indicating that most of the E-3s had been already converted to E-4 standard. JG 77 had around 100-125 aircraft with it, but for the rest of the units, its 75% cannon E-3/4/7, the rest are all MG E-1s. The E-1 and E-3 were produced parallel and in about equal numbers from the end of 1938, but by mid-1940, the production of the E-1 stopped, replaced by the E-4 and then the E-7."

and

In Ulrich Steinhilper's book 'Spitfire on My Tail', he relates quite clearly that they, JG52 didn't get there first cannon armed 109's until mid september , and then only 2, which were hand me downs from another unit. Rest of the unit bar these 2 planes was still in E1's.

[JG52Uther]

Hush with the E1's for JG52 Fruitbat!

Actually,Luthier has already mentioned the E1 and E4,but they are sorting out the key problems first.
Personally I would LOVE a flyable Do17,its one of my favourite planes.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Hush with the E1's for JG52 Fruitbat!

you can always pretend to be Ulrich.

(mid way through september of course!)

[Rickusty]

shameless bump...

[Babi]

Originally Posted by Rickusty

shameless bump...

can't really comment on the accuracy of the FM since i don't have real life data, but the plane sure feels very underpowered, with an extremely low power/weight ratio.. the climb is quite embarassing.

It shouldn't be top priority, but i think the devs should look into it, as it seems very suspicious, at least compared to the same plane in il-2 1946.

Being italian, i hope they can fix this issue and some others (italian pilot uniform, and speech pack above all) before the med expansion

Now to prove that i'm not a spaghetti whiner, i will also point out that the majority of the planes didnt had a radio and this should be reflected ingame, and if i'm not mistaken the g.50 should suffer from negative Gs like the spit or hurricane

[Mokkeri]

Finnish test pilots also noticed that fm is wrong, compared to factory manuals. Best test flight speed at SL was about 375km/h

[Rickusty]

That's true Babi. I too "complained" about the Italian fighters using radio comms. in another thread yesterday.
All radio comms in the It. fighters should be eliminated IMO.
It would be cool though to have pilot gestures in 3d animations

Mokkeri, yes, there were some differences in Italy too between the "real" operational characteristics and the "factory" (it's always FIAT damn it...) ones. It's hard to tell which one was right, in which condition the tests were carried on, the general conditions of that fighter in that moment, ite engine etc etc
But, even though we should consider the Finnish tests , we're still 35 km/h slower in the game.

But the problem is another one: it really looks like the FIAT A.74 engine isn't delivering its full power in the game. As I wrote in this thread, some of the instruments show different values comprared to what it "should be".
And the WEP mode isn't available.

The Fiat G.50 was certainly not a good machine. At the Italian fighter tender of 1938, it lost against the competing Macchi C.200.
The smart Italian RA HQ obviously decided instead to produce it nonetheless
I still have to read of ONE single Italian pilot who actually liked this aircraft. It seems almost everybody hated it or didn't consider it a good fighter plane.
I have an account written by a British wartime pilot who flew both a captured Macchi C.200 and a Fiat G.50, and it's unbelievable to read that the C.200 was one of the best plane he ever flew in all his lifetime, while he commented that the G.50 just wasn't "nothing special".

Yeah it was an ugly bird and didn't perform too well, but IMO something is wrong with its FM in our sim.


Cheers
Rick

[TomcatViP]

*Bump*

I try to fly the G50 online and it's really a poor performer. Now I know why the Moth had a Tiger in her name. For sure the 50 will fear the bit

Seriously is that a Fiat engine or a Vespa ?

On the good point, the Fiat is delightful to fly if you like pushing buttons, rods, managing the trims (functional ! ) ... and have a cte look at all those gauges (seems it lacks a valid indication of hydro pressure).

Frankly I wld like to see it more in the game. For those that likes the turn&burn at low alt, it cld be the perfect mount on the blue side.

I hope the devs wld have some spare resources to correct her (eng power mainly - my guess)

~S!

PS: if you have more success than me pls do share !

I support this as I do support an overhaul of the performance of all planes except the SpitIIa that is apparently the only plane that gets historic performance.