More on epilepsy in Cliffs of Dover

[YellowPaw]

Originally Posted by swiss

That would be the perfect spot to notice his disease - at least, then you know and it happend right beside you.

What if this happens on a staircase? Or while climbing up a tree?

I find this a somewhat specious argument. I don't believe there is a 'good' way to have an epileptic fit.

But, whatever - I'm not really arguing. I just don't think the more self-serving opinions being catapulted about this forum are entirely representative of the issues at stake.

Perhaps I'm lucky in that my PC died recently (motherboard or cpu - both were neolithic anyway). I was going to wait a month or so before working out the spec for a new 'beast-rig' and, consequently, I get to watch developments with a certain emotional detachment.

By the time I get round to playing, I have faith that the issues will be resolved. Why do I have faith you ask - it is simple: watching the attention given to the original Il2 over the many years since it launched.

[addman]

I guess if 1c/MG/Ubi would pay for upgrading my rig I'd buy it but how can you expect people to buy something that will be barely playable? No problems for people with deep pockets but for the rest of us?

[Devastat]

It seems that because of epilepsy-gate muzzleflashes, sparks and flying debree have been removed as well from current version of CoD. But the game sounds very good ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwOW8...layer_embedded

So is this issue past tense ie solved with this filter, or does it have to be added now?
Secondly is the game safe to play? I dont wanna spaz out and end up foaming at the mouth as epilepsy can start at any point in someones life I heard.

[LoBiSoMeM]

I love the way people blame UBISoft and US for everything... Oh, and Steam service will be the next devil!

Gimme a break... Freetrack works in this thing, at least? Any russian customer can say something about it?

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I love the way people blame UBISoft and US for everything... Oh, and Steam service will be the next devil!

Gimme a break... Freetrack works in this thing, at least? Any russian customer can say something about it?

If it isn't playable why bother? http://goo.gl/6NHxZ

[mazex]

Well, the real lesson from this is for Ilya. Dropping comments like the first ones on the night of the pre-release was something you:

A/ Gained a lot of respect for - after all it was not your fault but Ubisofts!

B/ This whole story started another storm in the water glass and you MAYBE lost a bunch of "customers" that have been following the game for six years but now cancelled their orders just hearing this bable-fished rumor!

C/ Lost a big percentage of the REAL customers that will finance your further development of the series as the rumor of the anti epilepsy scheme will spread all over the world like the fire here in the forums.

My vote is at B if this is handled correctly.

Just make it work and delay the release in the rest of the world until you have acceptable frame rate with medium settings on a decent midrange computer bought last year. Not having that is something the reviewers will never accept, even though I will accept if until version 1.08 like I did with RoF.

If an 8Gb Core i7 with a GTX460/HD 5870 does not run the game decently you will crash in flames when the big reviewers put their teeth in this game... They don't care who's fault it is, and neither do the potential REAL customers. If making the anti epilepsy code optional is necessary then make 1C and Ubisoft understand that - or work around it.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by mazex

Just make it work and delay the release in the rest of the world until you have acceptable frame rate with medium settings on a decent midrange computer bought last year. Not having that is something the reviewers will never accept, even though I will accept if until version 1.08 like I did with RoF.

If an 8Gb Core i7 with a GTX460/HD 5870 does not run the game decently you will crash in flames when the big reviewers put their teeth in this game... They don't care who's fault it is, and neither do the potential REAL customers. If making the anti epilepsy code optional is necessary then make 1C and Ubisoft understand that - or work around it.

A delay is the most reasonable thing to do now. There are already cancellations all over the place, just browse through various flight sim related forums. It will hurt the sales, no question about that.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

A delay is the most reasonable thing to do now. There are already cancellations all over the place, just browse through various flight sim related forums. It will hurt the sales, no question about that.

I do agree that the pre-order cancellations are for sure real even though I can't understand how long time followers can be so short sighted and abandon MG in "their finest hour". The RAF lost in France but when pushed against the wall in Britain they delivered - in version 1.04

They just have to fix the stuttering which I am sure depend on a lof of things as I would be very surprised if the game was running at 50fps on a top notch single GPU rig while chasing 30 He 111:s over London with a squadron of Spitfires before this problem... And this engine MUST do that.

Those customers that have pre-ordered must be simmers, how else could they have heard of the game considering Ubisofts lack of advertising efforts on this title? And as Ubisoft sure must have known about the problems, the lack of a proper marketing campaign may have been very much a deliberate action. If they did not believe that they would get the game into a stable release state until late March - why put down a big advertising campaign? Postponing release dates is hardly something any gamer will be surprised about. Look at Diablo III, GTA 5, The Old Republic etc. The list is long.

And we even don't know if it was Ubisoft or 1C that put the pressure up. It is 1C that is the main publisher and they DID publish the game with stuttering problems that are now blamed on the anti epilepsy scheme pushed down the throat by Ubisoft (?) (if that is the main problem).... Have we heard anyone bashing 1C here? Maybe it is 1C that really has put the ultimatum up, no more money if you don't have an RC done before the first week of march... This time we mean ít. Someone has paid for the six years of development, and when gold platers like Oleg get free hands they can continue adding knobs and rivets for ages. Sorry to sound harsh but as a development manager myself for a team that is of about the same size as MG I have some experience of that myself.

Anyway - my pre-orders stays whatever the next storm in the water glass will be - and I wish the team good luck on getting the bugs squashed!


EDIT: In my BoB allegory above, is it really Ubisoft that is Germany and 1C that is Italy pushing them into the wall before being prepared? We don't know if it is the opposite

[Mick]

Originally Posted by mazex

Just make it work and delay the release in the rest of the world until you have acceptable frame rate with medium settings on a decent midrange computer bought last year. Not having that is something the reviewers will never accept, even though I will accept if until version 1.08 like I did with RoF.

If an 8Gb Core i7 with a GTX460/HD 5870 does not run the game decently you will crash in flames when the big reviewers put their teeth in this game... They don't care who's fault it is, and neither do the potential REAL customers. If making the anti epilepsy code optional is necessary then make 1C and Ubisoft understand that - or work around it.

You said it all mate, this is really pathetic ...