Poll regarding Steam users

[zauii]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

In this case Steam is indeed a monopoly as you must have the Steam client in order to run the game, even offline.

Unlike, say, ArmA II where you can purchase the game on Steam, or not, and anyone can play online in any server they choose, no matter how they purchased it.

And I'm really starting to think that there a a lot of shills on both forums now promoting Steam as if there life depended on it.

Not at all i think its more the opposite way, people whine and moan about the evil Steam as if their 50$ lifetime investment depend upon it, comparing Steam with spy-ware and viruses just shows the ignorance.
How about take a chill pill, catch up and enjoy the most authentic flight recreation of ww2 ever to be released, or you can simply sit there waiting for Steam to go away, which won't happen.

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by zauii

Not at all i think its more the opposite way, people whine and moan about the evil Steam as if their 50$ lifetime investment depend upon it, comparing Steam with spy-ware and viruses just shows the ignorance.
How about take a chill pill, catch up and enjoy the most authentic flight recreation of ww2 ever to be released, or you can simply sit there waiting for Steam to go away, which won't happen.

Or, wait for the cracked version at which point Ill send a check for $50 to 1C.
So thats the only argument you steamers have? "get used to it"? Well apparently alot of us don't want to, and for that matter don't need to.
Steam is exactly like any other malicious software in that I dont want it, and wont of my own choice have it.
Not quite sure why the steamers have such a hard time with this concept?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Or, wait for the cracked version at which point Ill send a check for $50 to 1C.
So thats the only argument you steamers have? "get used to it"? Well apparently alot of us don't want to, and for that matter don't need to.
Steam is exactly like any other malicious software in that I dont want it, and wont of my own choice have it.
Not quite sure why the steamers have such a hard time with this concept?

A crack will still require steam.

[zauii]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Or, wait for the cracked version at which point Ill send a check for $50 to 1C.
So thats the only argument you steamers have? "get used to it"? Well apparently alot of us don't want to, and for that matter don't need to.
Steam is exactly like any other malicious software in that I dont want it, and wont of my own choice have it.
Not quite sure why the steamers have such a hard time with this concept?

Far from the only argument we have, but that post wasn't intended to list all my arguments.
I'm sure you and the rest of the crack-pirates will send your money straight to 1c maddox office....... riight.

[Fockzhound]

Also, I'm pretty sure you won't be doing much online gaming with the cracked version.

Look, steam has many more pro's than con's, it has saved PC gaming. Conservative Grandpa haters have teary eyes for yester year when PC games were stocked on shelves in large numbers. 1C have decided to use Steam to sell more copies of the games, why blame for that. It really isn't that bad, as 56% of people here know.

Cry some more.

[lwlooz]

Hello,

apart from the shills/false-flag operators , thanks for the information on steam use.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

The benefit for me is vac, friends list, easy to use and reliable.

I don't see the point of a friends list when there is IRC, ICQ, Skype, MSN, Facebook and forums or knowing people.

The reason I don't like this news of Steamworks installation is that is by definition a bloated packaged. If I had to sign up somewhere for Anti-Cheat software to be run when I play on certain servers , I would do that.
But Steamworks is linked with the Store and all the social/achievement gimmicks I really see as useful for casual gaming , but don't think are at all useful for a sim like ours.

Apart from that I don't see why 1C wants to cut out potential customers on the accounts of being lazy. This whole Steamworks thing could be completely optional in my limited view.
If you choose to opt out and buy it somewhere else , you just wouldn't have the Steamworks features or couldn't play on some Steam-Enabled servers.
Who would be hurt by that? Steam-User and Non-Steam-Users happy.

If 1C wants to ship DLC , I think all other Digital Distribution retailers do that too, so I fail again to see the point of only going with Steam.

On another note I don't think you can prove Valve to have a monopoly or it's competitor would have already done so. But the fact that they use Steamworks to draw customers to their store is certainly evil and will hurt competition and innovation in the long run.
We might end up having Steam as a proprietary industry standard and all your games belong to Valve which nicely grants you a subscription

[Mick]

I just wanted to BUY CoD, I was even ready to have to be connected once and ONLY once, to activate the sim upon install, and then use MY game whenever I want WITHOUT having that Steam thingie somewhere in my PC ...

I did BUY IL2 way back in 2001, and then everything published by Oleg ... but I WON'T BUY Cod with that totally USELESS Steam thingie ...

[sallee]

I never particularly wanted Steam, I had to have it for some of the Total War series, but now I've got it it's just fine. it's never been a bother to me.

[palker4]

Originally Posted by Mick

I just wanted to BUY CoD, I was even ready to have to be connected once and ONLY once, to activate the sim upon install, and then use MY game whenever I want WITHOUT having that Steam thingie somewhere in my PC ...

I did BUY IL2 way back in 2001, and then everything published by Oleg ... but I WON'T BUY Cod with that totally USELESS Steam thingie ...

I guess you do not buy new games very often cause if you did you would have steam installed for quite some time

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by zauii

Far from the only argument we have, but that post wasn't intended to list all my arguments.
I'm sure you and the rest of the crack-pirates will send your money straight to 1c maddox office....... riight.

And why not? $50 pales in Comparison to the amount of money Ive bought buying all the IL2 iterations, and then the replacements because they inevitably get lost over the course of a decade of duty station moves and deployments, etc.
Ive got no problem paying for it. Hell Id pay more for a non-steamer version happily.
Im not even going off on the freedom viewpoint, thats neither here nor there, I simply do not want to run steam after my horribble experiences with it.
And I wont.

Originally Posted by Fockzhound

Also, I'm pretty sure you won't be doing much online gaming with the cracked version.

Dont care about online gaming. Looks like most of us who don't want steam are offliners

Look, steam has many more pro's than con's,

Definitely not what Id say after using it.

it has saved PC gaming.

Don't care about PC gaming, I care about IL2 and not having a bunch of bloatware to run the one computer game I have

...yada yada yada...
Cry some more.

Speaking of, this is all I can find for 1C's address:
21, Seleznevskaya str.
Moscow
Is this right? I'm serious about sending them a check when I download the non steam version.