Frankly, these lasers...

I think the tracers both look real and not real at the same time.
A tracer used in aircraft has way more smoke trail from the phos on the bullet base (more phos to get a longer burn i would imagine)
So on screens the clean line without smoke trail emitting from the line isnt strictly right in my opinion, but the tracer itself is.
I think someone mentioned they look too clean, well the tracer itself should be clean, its the smoke trail from it that should twist and snake, and that smoke trail should be there for as long as the tracer is burning.

[ChrisDNT]

Nice VIDEO, Uther.


P.S. have you human eyes in your head or some kind of bionic video system for seeing ?

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by ChrisDNT

Nice VIDEO, Uther.


P.S. have you human eyes in your head or some kind of bionic video system for seeing ?

lol. This is part of the problem huh, Some people think they should look as if some one is videoing the action complete with overexposure effects, while others think they sould be shown as they would look with our own eyes.

Another problem is that everyones brain and eyes aren't identical, one person could see tracers as long SW lasers while the other percieves them far shorter, just like you would get different results if you used two different makes of video camera to film the same gun firing tracers.

[choctaw111]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

lol. This is part of the problem huh, Some people think they should look as if some one is videoing the action complete with overexposure effects, while others think they sould be shown as they would look with our own eyes.

Another problem is that everyones brain and eyes aren't identical, one person could see tracers as long SW lasers while the other percieves them far shorter, just like you would get different results if you used two different makes of video camera to film the same gun firing tracers.

I had given some thought to this.
It is very true that different people have different levels of visual acuity.
A good example of this is the famous baseball player Joe DiMagio.
He could actually see where his bat was making contact with the spinning baseball.
To be able to see things that happen that quickly can only mean that his eyes had a much higher "framerate" than mine.
When I saw tracers, I saw streaks. Someone like Joe DiMagio would probably not have.

[winny]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

I think the tracers both look real and not real at the same time.
A tracer used in aircraft has way more smoke trail from the phos on the bullet base (more phos to get a longer burn i would imagine)
So on screens the clean line without smoke trail emitting from the line isnt strictly right in my opinion, but the tracer itself is.
I think someone mentioned they look too clean, well the tracer itself should be clean, its the smoke trail from it that should twist and snake, and that smoke trail should be there for as long as the tracer is burning.

(This is RAF specific) The smoke trail tracers were not actually tracers they were Buckingham incendiaries. They ignited on firing and burned on their way to the target. No visible light. They had a small hole in the casing which let the smoke out (spiral tracer smoke). The acutal G Mk II type tracer round, a flaming tracer (visible light, source of the 'laser debate') was smokeless, as was the 'de-wilde'.

[JG52Uther]

Well some ex military people are stating that the tracers look unrealistic,and some ex military people are stating that the tracers look realistic.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Well some ex military people are stating that the tracers look unrealistic,and some ex military people are stating that the tracers look realistic.

I still haven't seen comments from 'ex military' people that are saying they don't look realistic.

Blackdog made a good comment that if anything they look a bit too thick.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

I still haven't seen comments from 'ex military' people that are saying they don't look realistic.

Blackdog made a good comment that if anything they look a bit too thick.

Thats the funny thing, u dont even have to be ex military to understand that it looks "pretty much" how it should.

Every single clip/pic showing tracer fire shows different variations on the same theme.


The only thing i can think of is that Oleg is "representing" tracers the way filmcameras/pics show it and not the human eye when you are "there" so to speak, for dramatic effect. From personal experience a single shot with tracer does/did not produce that streak, at least not clearly or slowly enough for me to see it. (would however have done so if i filmed it and paused it at the exact right moment). High rate machingun fire is another thing as far as i know. I also think the "clarety" of the effect is more pronounced at night compared to daylight.

[Gribbers]

Had a lot of military training (but was never actually in the military)...fired and saw many different tracers from various platforms, and these look fine to me And based on some of the real WW2 gun cam footage I've seen I think the team have done a great job!

If I was going to be pernickety (which I will ), then:

a) I remember red tracer to be slightly front heavy, trailing off towards the rear of the streak...when viewing from the rear that is...
b) tracers were a lot brighter, even in day time...actually looked like fire and had the same brightness...but I don't think any game can represent that on a screen.


Then again, I don't have any experience viewing tracers at 2000ft, flying at 300mph+, so will assume that Oleg and team know better than I do.
Besides, when I'm firing all cannons/guns, I won't be judging the realism of the tracer, I'll desperately be trying to keep my sights on the target and hold the right angle and speed.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by Gribbers

b) tracers were a lot brighter, even in day time...actually looked like fire and had the same brightness...but I don't think any game can represent that on a screen.

Hehe

This is one of the biggest 'complaint' from what I have read on various forums - people want them to be less bright in daylight. Good to have someone saying that they should be more brighter.

In engineer terms: Oleg made a compromise, not too bright and not too dark - just perfect. An interpolation.