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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

 
 
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Old 03-09-2011, 02:30 AM
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Okay name one other way that...

1) Nets you more money for your product... its a fact that offering a game on steam nets the developers more money than using a retailer, who end up getting a large percentage (60-70) of the retail sales.

2) Already has an established user base (3million playing atm).

3) Virtually free advertising?

These are just a few from 1C's point of view

Benefits for a consumer...

1) No disc to scratch

2) Friends list

3) Cheap Deals (recently got King Arthur RTS for £4 with all dlc, refreshing game like a fantasy total war game now its listed for £30)

4) Can easily mod games, (I have yet to run into a problem).

5) Automatic updates (if you dont like this due to bad connection you can turn it off)

I know im a fan and i don't care what you say there are clear benefits... steam is the second program installed on my pc after chrome
Well, it's good for you but not for everyone, nothing hard to understand about this.
Wonderwoman view is also good for some people, but you don't see the game shipping with it enabled by default for everyone
For instance, i have absolutely no use for features 2,3 and 5 on your list of consumer benefits.

I don't mind having access to them but i will definitely not use them much, i certainly don't NEED them and neither does the sim: it already has another DRM layer and will be able to use 3rd party server browsing tools (according to the developers, they said so a few updates back). Well, anything that's not needed is optional, so where's the option?


It's not here for DRM reasons because it already has Solidshield.

It's not here for the multiplayer functionality because Cod can already do that in a way similar to IL2 (the developers' words, not mine).

It's supposed to be here for mass market appeal and ease of advertising (the only substantial reason in the long term) but guess what, the game isn't even sold on Steam.

So, what is it really needed for? And just to clarify, "need" does not mean "i like to have a certain feature", it means "the game absolutely won't work without a certain feature". In this way, what most of us think we need are mere personal preferences. The game doesn't need to default to one set of them, it needs to have options for as much of them as possible to ensure the most satisfied customers.


Honestly, i have nothing against Steam i just want to have a choice of not using it, just as i want you guys who like it to have the choice of using it.

The current situation is bad for everyone. People who don't care for Steam are being forced to use it, the ones who like Steam are being forced to use a secondary DRM layer on top of that. God forbid something breaks in between and you start getting ping-ponged between Solidshield, Steam and Ubi forums.

It seems the only reason for Steam integration is to get mass market appeal and that's fine if the hordes of action game players are willing to finance our following expansions by picking up CoD and flying around for a few weeks in low realism settings, no problem whatsoever. However, the game is not even sold on Steam so again, it's an action without a clear motive.

Best thing to do? Have a Steam version for those who like it sold directly on Steam with no additional DRM.

The boxed editions would have Solidshield DRM and no Steam at all (ideally, they could ask the user which one to use upon install, Steam or Solidshield, but i doubt many Steam users are into boxed copies) as would a non-steam digital download version that would be distributed through the other online retailers. Everybody would be happy with this.

Compare with what we are actually getting: everyone who likes Steam will be forced to have another layer of DRM on top of Steam, everyone who doesn't want Steam will also have two layers of DRM and no choice whatsoever in the matter.

It's like they took two groups of people with diverging tastes and asked them what they'd like, only in order to implement something that will partially piss off everyone in equal measure

I'm still getting a collector's edition but if the multiple layers of external applications cause me problems for any considerable length of time, it's going straight on second hand sale along with the Steam account it's activated on, regardless of EULA terms. So far the only real benefit of a Steam account for me is that i have no other games registered on it, so if i need to resell the game i can do so just fine. Maybe i should order 3-4 extra collector's editions and put them up on ebay once they become really hard to find
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