Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by swiss

I cant go higher than 1680 or lower than 800.

if you cant 1/2 your resolution to compare how the il2 aircraft dot doubles in size,, you should be able to at least notice that with the lower resolution the larger pixels show a larger il2 aircraft "dot" on your screen now :]

that is the exact principle at work, and it really shouldnt be the case in 2011 with the next gen sim

btw, i just noticed that with the monitor size you are using this probably means it is a 6 bit colour monitor (TN technology based), rather then most other lcd's which are normally 8- bit color (and MVA/PVA or IPS technology). the people who complain the least about il2 distant aircraft visibility are oddly enough often people with inferior monitors (dont mean to diss your hardware there). because these 6 bit monitors have significantly more problems displaying shades of grey, they constantly flip between several states of grey in a more noticable transition (compared to the smooth gradient on an 8 bit monitor), with TN based monitors this is known to add a slight "glitter" effect to the grey/black pixels it is trying to display (and this makes these 2/4 pixels representing a distant il2 aircraft stand out more, particularly if it is a moving object against a differently colored background, like green tree foliage or snow etc)

didnt mean to go all technical in minor detail, but i can post some illustrations about this known effect on 6 bit monitors later if interested

for now, just notice how the pixel size has increased with the lower resolution, making the 2/4 pixel object physically larger and easier to see on screen (btw my earlier screenshots posted were taken in 4.08 iirc). i havnt noticed anybody commenting the dot's had changed to 2 pixels since then, but it is possible (dot visibility has not increased since then, if anything worsened, so i havnt looked at it any closer since). the argument is still exactly the same however, 1/2 your resolution and the "il2 dot" is 2x the size, giving you a clear advantage online in a competitive environment (if all else is equal)

[swiss]

Originally Posted by zapatista

if you cant 1/2 your resolution to compare how the il2 aircraft dot doubles in size,, you should be able to at least notice that with the lower resolution the larger pixels show a larger il2 aircraft "dot" on your screen now :]

that is the exact principle at work, and it really shouldnt be the case in 2011 with the next gen sim

the argument is still exactly the same however, 1/2 your resolution and the "il2 dot" is 2x the size, giving you a clear advantage online in a competitive environment (if all else is equal)

Again: What if someone uses a beamer? He will have a 100" screen, huge pixels.
Cheating, right?

giving you a clear advantage, if all else is equal

It will never be fair - ever.
Unless Oleg sells some standard systems too and locks out everything else.

I recently noticed you can exploit the fact some ppl play with crappy GPUs.
When they are close on your tail, fly low over the water surface and fire into the sea like there's no tomorrow.
In case he really has an old card, odds are he will get a sideshow when flying through the fountains.


You see everything is different.
GPUs, screensizes and and resolutions, internet connection etcpp.

there is however an even bigger problem then that. these little 4 pixel dots still dont accurately represent what most real ww2 fighter pilots could/would see from their cockpits ! if il2/BoB is claiming to be a simulator then it is critical in my opinion this most important issue has a high priority (and oleg in the last few years has answered positively he is aware of this problem and is trying to correct it for BoB/il2).

Are you seriously saying the size of a pixel, in relation to displayed distance in game, vs reality is wrong?
You had to consult an astrophysicist to notice?

This is absolutely of the highest priority!
How could anyone possibly enjoy the GAME with such a flaw???

Maybe you should consider moving, a real simulator is not going to fit on your desk.



6bit/8bit:
I have no idea what your talking about.
In the settings menu it says something about true color, 32bit.

[combatdudePL]

Zapatista thanks for posting You last informations (especially screenshots) its reveal the essence of the issue - my English is too weak to describe it so well.

[Blackdog_kt]

What he says is that some monitors don't have the capability of displaying all the colors at the same time, so they flip the pixels in question between color A and color B to give the illusion of color C. Hope it helps

[Kikuchiyo]

Zapa if you're really that hung up on dots quit playing online. This is a moot issue that no one on earth can do anything about. Way to many variables, and continuing to beat the dead horse will do nothing to make the problem go away. Every game where there is competition there will be people that will do unscrupulous things in game to make their small lives feel more important.

Originally Posted by swiss

I can only talk for myself, but the only reason for dumping all that cash into peripherals for a game is to get an (unfair as zappa thinks) edge over the others.
It's just like real war - better equipment wins(usually).

You feel you get an advantage by using a 60" screen @800*600 - go for it.

I realize this, but it seems lost on the gentleman that it's not so much resolution as screen size that is the issue. He is continuing to harp on something that can't be helped.

[KG26_Alpha]

Stuka LOD 2/3

With a resolution of 800x600 or lower these are like flying bricks with lower settings.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Stuka LOD 2/3

With a resolution of 800x600 or lower these are like flying bricks with lower settings.

Except, thats not a Stuka.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Zappa if you're really that hung up on dots quite playing online. This is a moot issue that no one on earth can do anything about. Way to many variables, and continuing to beat the dead horse will do nothing to make the problem go away. Every game where there is competition there will be people that will do unscrupulous things in game to make their small lives feel more important.

I can only talk for myself, but the only reason for dumping all that cash into peripherals for a game is to get an (unfair as zappa thinks) edge over the others.
It's just like real war - better equipment wins(usually).

You feel you get an advantage by using a 60" screen @800*600 - go for it.

[philip.ed]

Please could you start a seperate topic on this? I keep coming back to this topic expecting a different discussion. Don't get me wrong, it's very interesting, but there's such a wealth of information here, it'd be sad to see it get lost once a new update comes.
I have to say, I am marvelling at Zaps research into this! top notch stuff.

[No601_Swallow]

Originally Posted by swiss

I can only talk for myself, but the only reason for dumping all that cash into peripherals for a game is to get an (unfair as zappa thinks) edge over the others.
It's just like real war - better equipment wins(usually).

You feel you get an advantage by using a 60" screen @800*600 - go for it.

Ah! The old Raybanjockey philosophy!

But I have to say, Swiss, the reason I dump cash I can't afford into peripherals for the game is to boost my sense of immersion and involvement in flight and WWII air combat. Honestly, nothing competitive - just to have a good time! (Which is why I'd never lower my screen resolution - talk about cutting off you nose to spite your face!, and probably why I'm generally canon-fodder or "bait" for my squadron mates!).

[Edit: And I agree with you, Flyingblind - from what I've taken from the updates, hopefully glints and reflections from targets will make bogie-spotting - particularly those currs beneath you - much easier.]

Anyway, as others have said, I feel like a seven-year-old waiting for Christmas! When I finally get a tattoo, it'll read: "Two Weeks - Be Sure".

Thnx Oleg, Lutheir and the gallant 22!