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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 02-06-2011, 09:50 AM
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When Oleg mentioned that 4GB+ is needed for a smooth gaming experience my wallet started crying LOL! I have an Athlon IIx3@2,7, Radeon HD4670 512 and 4 gigs of RAM. Being poor as I am at the moment a new graphics card would've been a hefty investment for me and now maybe even more RAM (even though RAM is cheap now). Also I need a more powerful PSU if I'll upgrade the graphics card. When I built this computer I had low budget, low energy consumption on my priority list, most games I play Far Cry 2, L4D 2, Company of Heroes, SH 3/4, AvP all run at medium to high settings. I really hope CoD will be somewhat playable on medium settings (without AA), I have a feeling that I might have to scale it back even more though Hope Oleg and team manages to make the game playable for us on the lower mid-range scale, guess I'll just have to avoid flying over London and other big cities
im concerned about the same thing!i have a core i5-650,3,2GHz,Dual Core prozessor,4GB of DDR3-RAM and a SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5570 with 1024MB.i think that i wont be able to fly over populated areas without a freezing screen even on medium or low settings.and my budget to improve my hardware is pretty limited at the time.lets hope oleg and team will do some more magic moves to optimise the game for us until its finished.
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Old 02-06-2011, 09:54 AM
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When Oleg mentioned that 4GB+ is needed for a smooth gaming experience my wallet started crying LOL! I have an Athlon IIx3@2,7, Radeon HD4670 512 and 4 gigs of RAM. Being poor as I am at the moment a new graphics card would've been a hefty investment for me and now maybe even more RAM (even though RAM is cheap now). Also I need a more powerful PSU if I'll upgrade the graphics card. When I built this computer I had low budget, low energy consumption on my priority list, most games I play Far Cry 2, L4D 2, Company of Heroes, SH 3/4, AvP all run at medium to high settings. I really hope CoD will be somewhat playable on medium settings (without AA), I have a feeling that I might have to scale it back even more though Hope Oleg and team manages to make the game playable for us on the lower mid-range scale, guess I'll just have to avoid flying over London and other big cities

"CoD usually sits at around 1.8 Gigs in the memory. I don't think I've ever seen it go anywhere near 3 gigs."
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Old 02-06-2011, 10:00 AM
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I wonder if my Acronis True Image software would enable me to store a copy of the activated game?
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Old 02-06-2011, 11:38 AM
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I have 32bit XP with 4Gb (AFAIK not all of this can be accessed by the OS for applications) but the spec does support XP OS even with its RAM limit. I will wait and see how it all pans out regards performance on my rig - I'm not going to worry about it thats for sure. Once it's released there will be plenty of feedback regards systems/specs and game performance. I will order CoD when all that is actually fedback from enthusiasts.

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Old 02-06-2011, 01:01 PM
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"CoD usually sits at around 1.8 Gigs in the memory. I don't think I've ever seen it go anywhere near 3 gigs."
Running a 32Bit exe on a 64Bit OS is limited to 2GB, if that 32Bit exe is not programmed with the LAA flag.
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Old 02-07-2011, 12:22 AM
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I run IL2 '46 at 1280x960 perfect. I get ~30fps average on the Black Death track. I have a P4 @2.8 GHz, nVidia 7600 GT AGP 8X 512MB, 2GB of generic memory.

I turn off a lot of stuff:
No Chatter
No AA
No AF
Effects=1
Water=1
Forests=2

Note to you HARDWARE HOs: I have been playing IL2 since the beginning, I have ALWAYS played it on POS hardware, always trying to squeeze out every FPS, or fraction thereof. Don't bother telling me I need to spend $1K on hardware to run $50 software. I KNOW!

I didn't bother with RoF because even people with up-to-date hardware were having problems running it. I will probably buy CloD anyway. I will upgrade eventually, in a year or two.

Care to speculate on what FPS I might get on absolute lowest settings, on an empty map, just me joyriding? Do you think I should just pass, not buy it?

Cloyd
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Old 02-07-2011, 12:35 AM
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I run IL2 '46 at 1280x960 perfect. I get ~30fps average on the Black Death track. I have a P4 @2.8 GHz, nVidia 7600 GT AGP 8X 512MB, 2GB of generic memory.

I turn off a lot of stuff:
No Chatter
No AA
No AF
Effects=1
Water=1
Forests=2

Note to you HARDWARE HOs: I have been playing IL2 since the beginning, I have ALWAYS played it on POS hardware, always trying to squeeze out every FPS, or fraction thereof. Don't bother telling me I need to spend $1K on hardware to run $50 software. I KNOW!

I didn't bother with RoF because even people with up-to-date hardware were having problems running it. I will probably buy CloD anyway. I will upgrade eventually, in a year or two.

Care to speculate on what FPS I might get on absolute lowest settings, on an empty map, just me joyriding? Do you think I should just pass, not buy it?

Cloyd
Tough situation you got there.I say wait till it is released and see how budget pc's run it and then decide.
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Old 02-07-2011, 01:15 AM
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Bummer about your hardware there. I spent years with a Pentium 1.4 and would max out with five or six machine's in the air at any one time. I didn't even know what flak was untill a 2008 upgrade, now mine's a bit old again but at least is in with a decent chance of running CloD. Nevertheless, even if my machine was hopeless and I was a year or more away from replacing it I'd still buy 'Cliffs of Dover' if only to send some money Oleg's way and help to ensure he and his team keep at what they do best.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:56 AM
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Do the new activations accumulate every month until they reach 5 in total or do we just have one per month afterwards. Hope we get an answer soon.
That's the main issue really.

Scenario 1:
You get 5 initial activations. When they are finished, you get one activation per month and that's it. If you don't use them up they don't add up, it's just one per month.

Scenario 2:
You get 5 initial activations. You use one the first time you install the game so you are left with 4. However, a month later it pops back up to 5. After one more month it doesn't go to 6 but stays at 5, as that is the maximum number allowed.

I prefer the second option, mainly because if IL2 is anything to go by there will be a lot of people having multiple installations at some point in time.
That is unless we can somehow backup the activation key, or the activation has a global effect for all installations on a single PC.

To be honest i don't think i'll need more than 5 in a year under normal circumstances, but then i still dislike being limited in what i can do with something i paid for:
If mods are handled in a different manner now that we're getting built-in modding support then it might not be an issue, but if it gets to be anything similar to IL2 down the line i can easily see squads who fly in tournaments with different modpacks using up three in a single month.

For example, if activations don't have a system-wide effect but each installation needs its own separate activation and using IL2 as an analogy, it's easy to see what happens with a squad who regularly flies 4.09 with modpack A, 4.10 stock and 4.09 with modpack B.
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:06 AM
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Tough situation you got there.I say wait till it is released and see how budget pc's run it and then decide.
This is the answer to all hardware questions posed by people considering upgrades or building a new system. I think it should be posted in a sticky that forces all forum members to view it before posting. Those of you who are still asking, read the following.

Cheapos: If you have a dual core system running faster than 2.4GHZ, and card made in the last two years, and 2GB of memory then you're going to be able to play it, but don't expect much in the way of eye candy.

Midrange: If you have a newer i5/7/AMD equivalent, a card made in the last year, and 4GB of memory then you're going to be playing it pretty decently.

More money than brains: If you spend 1K tomorrow on the fastest processer with 16GB of the most overpriced RAM, a SSD Drive, and 4 of the top of the line cards SLI/Crossfired then you're going to be able to play it maxed with a pretty crazy-large resolution.

FAQs

Q: Should I invest in a new system.

A: Depends on a few things. . . Can you afford it? What do you have now? How do you want to run it?

If you can afford to do it, then go for it. It's your money. If you have a year old gaming system and you don't need to play it on a 27" Dell monitor then you're probably going to be fine. If you want high resolution and everything maxed then you're going to have to spend some money. WAIT AND SEE before dropping a few hundred or thousand on a new system.

Q: Should I SLI/Crossfire to get better performance?

A: To most of you, "No". Luthier said the other day that SLI/CF might not give you any performance gains. Generally speaking Multi GPUs/Cards are for people who will be gaming on multiple monitors or at huge resolutions. We don't know if 1xGPU=20fps and 2xGPU=40fps. Maybe there is a huge gain, maybe you just spent $200 for an additional 5fps? WAIT AND SEE before buying another card.

Q: Should I get the latest and greatest Intel/AMD CPU?

A: All depends on your cashflow and your needs. Are you playing this thing jacked will all things enabled and full object counts? Then yes, spend away! From what we've heard it seems that the CPU might be the component that makes the most difference when upgrading. Will having a 2 core system at 4GHZ be better than a 4 core system at 3.5 GHZ? WAIT AND SEE before buying a new CPU.

Q: Should I get another XGB of RAM?

A: Maybe. Luthier said that COD was pushing 1.8GB of RAM Max, but who knows how streamlined it will get in the next month or how much it will expand in the next year. If you have 2GB, you might want to test the waters first. . . then the land. It's dependent on options enabled, so maybe. Given the price of RAM right now I'd probably go with 4GB since I'm sure additional content will be memory hungry. Should you get 8GB of RAM? It's your cash, but I don't see a gaming rig needing more than 4GB of RAM in the next few years.

Q: I'm going to be smart and wait to build a system, but how will I know what will run COD at 60fps at my ideal resolution?

A: Come to these forums and ask people what they are using and what frames they are getting. Maybe Toms Hardware or another site will use COD as their new "Killer App" to test their rigs. Maybe "Can you run it" will add COD and it will tell you what systems run it decently.

Q: What's the big deal in waiting? If I build a killer rig now or 6 months from now I'll still have a killer rig, but I won't be playing that game for 1/2 a year.

A: It all comes down to how much you want to play COD and how much you value your money. If you have the cash, build your rig now. If you want to be a bit more frugal, cool your jets and play the waiting game.

On average, waiting 6 months to build a system typically gets you equal or better frames per second at about 1/2 the price for the gaming components. This depends on the speed Intel/AMD/Nvidia/ATI release their new flagship products and how aggressive they want to be in their pricing. Sometimes you have to wait a year to get it 1/2 off, and sometimes a new product comes along that makes everyone want to get rid of current stock.

Monitors, power supplies, RAM, hard disks, and even mainboards don't really drop in price that often or that fast. Usually it takes some sort of radical new format from Intel or AMD to make all these manufacturers drop prices and start changing their products to keep up.

In summation, it all come down to two simple formulas

Interest in Game + Ability to Wait < Money = Upgrade
Interest in Game + Ability to Wait > Money = Wait for Upgrade


If you're not happy with the way COD plays on your system then you're going to have to upgrade. If you can sweat it out and wait a little while then you're going to same some cash. If you can't wait and have some money burning a hole in your pocket, spend spend spend!

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