4.101 RC - List of fixes

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by Ala13_Kokakolo

Tested with keys. It does not recognise it as a key.

OK. Do you use any Saitek joystick profile when playing Il2? Check that this throttle is not altered to act as a switch there.

You can also check ingame joystick settings (Hardware Setup -> Input). Look for something unusual, like sensitivity, filtering or dead band settings.

[Ala13_Kokakolo]

Originally Posted by MicroWave

OK. Do you use any Saitek joystick profile when playing Il2? Check that this throttle is not altered to act as a switch there.

You can also check ingame joystick settings (Hardware Setup -> Input). Look for something unusual, like sensitivity, filtering or dead band settings.

If you try to rule out fault on my side you can now. This issue has been bugging me for quite long time: I tried (obviously) with and without profiles,I check for unusual things in all the three saitek I had and in the three installs.

As I stated before this problem has been tested with three different joys in three different computes with three different specs. I have been flying Il2 since the original game and I also have joycntrl and I can guarantee you this problem has nothing to do with joy/computer specs but with the way il2 communicates with this particular joystick. Hey guys, can anyone back me up here? Does anyone else own an x65f that proves me right or wrong?

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by Ala13_Kokakolo

If you try to rule out fault on my side you can now. This issue has been bugging me for quite long time: I tried (obviously) with and without profiles,I check for unusual things in all the three saitek I had and in the three installs.

As I stated before this problem has been tested with three different joys in three different computes with three different specs. I have been flying Il2 since the original game and I also have joycntrl and I can guarantee you this problem has nothing to do with joy/computer specs but with the way il2 communicates with this particular joystick. Hey guys, can anyone back me up here? Does anyone else own an x65f that proves me right or wrong?

How many axes are there on this device?
Primary control has 3 (it's a twist joystick, right?)
2 throttle sliders.
Probably at least 2 rotaries
Is there a small mouse/joystick there too? That adds 2 more axes.

This means you have 9 axes on one device and the limit on number of axes per device is 8.

Can you confirm that you have more than 8 axes? Go to Il2 Controls settings and just assign one control after another to Flaps or something. Write down how Il2 recognizes each axis (also write down Joystick ID if there is any shown). Post here the results.

Is it possible to turn off some of the axes in driver settings or change their behavior? For example change the small joystick/mouse to 4-way hat switch, if possible.

I've seen videos of people using X65 in Il-2, but I can't tell if they used separate throttle controls or not.

[Ala13_Kokakolo]

Originally Posted by MicroWave

How many axes are there on this device?
Primary control has 3 (it's a twist joystick, right?)
2 throttle sliders.
Probably at least 2 rotaries
Is there a small mouse/joystick there too? That adds 2 more axes.

This means you have 9 axes on one device and the limit on number of axes per device is 8.

Can you confirm that you have more than 8 axes? Go to Il2 Controls settings and just assign one control after another to Flaps or something. Write down how Il2 recognizes each axis (also write down Joystick ID if there is any shown). Post here the results.

Is it possible to turn off some of the axes in driver settings or change their behavior? For example change the small joystick/mouse to 4-way hat switch, if possible.

I've seen videos of people using X65 in Il-2, but I can't tell if they used separate throttle controls or not.

The small joystick works as the mouse. It is in fact recognized by the computer as a mouse. I think it cannot be assign to any axis therefore there are only 7 axis. Anyway I will confirm it this afternoon because I'm now at work and I'm not 100% sure.
I have check yesterday and the name assign to the faulty throttle is "U slider Axis ID2" while the first throttle (left one and the one which works correctly) says "z axis id2" (does not say slider).

Checked. The small joy it is the mouse therefore no possibility of assign it to any axis. Il2 recognizes "x axis id2", "y axis id2" and "z axis rotation id2" (stick, 3 axis), then on the throttle it has "y axis rotation id2" and "x axis rotation Id2" (both rotaries, 2 more axis) and on the throttle left one is called "z axis id2" and the right one is called "U slider Axis ID2". No other axis is presented on the stick. Total = 7 axis. All of them are called id2 at the end of the name because I also have saitek rudder installed. I also tested the joy without the rudder with same result. It does not work.

[Majo]

Do you have any idea when this Fixes will be available for us all?

Thank you in advance.

Salutes!!!

[PE_Tihi]

Your Spitfire FM is instable about the pitch and the yaw axes to the extent that I suspect the change a malicious one. The plane has an obnoxious nose up trim, too, but that is a smaller problem.
No other plane in game handles so badly. In a vertical stagnation climb, the nose has no intention of falling down, like all the other plane's do. The thing is so unstable that it falls like a leaf, until you forcibly push the nose down, correcting strongly the askew flight with the rudder and elevator. Someone here said something about 'greater yaw freedom...'LOL!LOL!
Either you havent got any idea what you are doing to the FM or you 're simply trying to sabotage the Spit.
In both cases, I suggest you better revert to the old Spitfire FM. And please do not touch any other FMs; this has been bad enough.

[AndyJWest]

"Your Spitfire FM is instable about the pitch and the yaw axes to the extent that I suspect the change a malicious one." Well, don't use the patch if you don't trust it. TD have to put up with enough whining without having to listen to half-baked conspiracy theories.

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

"Your Spitfire FM is instable about the pitch and the yaw axes to the extent that I suspect the change a malicious one." Well, don't use the patch if you don't trust it. TD have to put up with enough whining without having to listen to half-baked conspiracy theories.

I would be perfectly content not to use it, but most of the servers do, as you know.
As for your conspiracy theory bs, wont even comment it. I flew the Spit a lot in 4.09 so I feel in a position to observe and compare. Judging by your comment, you are not.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by PE_Tihi

Your Spitfire FM is instable about the pitch

"The aeroplane ... tends to be a little unstable in pitch "

From Spitfire pilot handbook.

If you're not interested in real life comparison, you can go the the difficulty section and turn off "stalls and spins".

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by JtD

"The aeroplane ... tends to be a little unstable in pitch "

From Spitfire pilot handbook.

If you're not interested in real life comparison, you can go the the difficulty section and turn off "stalls and spins".

All the planes in this game have been given stronger damping factors and more pleasant flying qualities than RL. How do you want to justify making the Spitfire the only example of puritan realism in that sense? Oleg knew very well if he put that into the game, no one 'll ever obtain a hit, and the game hype would be melting like the wax on the candle. Now comes DT, and puts it into a single plane only-into the Spitfire.

Or we can consider British the idiots, content to fly an instable plane and not coming to the idea of enlarging the vertical stabilizer slightly like all others did to improve, among other things, the hit chance for their pilots?

So please, spare me your BS. The idea of turning something off can come to an offline flyer only, anyway. This is the 9th year I ve been flying this, which I do regret sometimes. When you talk about something 'I can't deal with' in this game , I dont know whether I should laugh or weep.