Trying to identify this 110 shot down in Africa or the MTO. Pictures included.

PeterPanPan · #1 01-09-2011, 04:37 PM

Try posting on M4T too. Duggy there could well know the answer.

winny · #2 01-09-2011, 05:33 PM

I can't tell if it's an M or an N in the lettering?

If it's an M then it's possibly this aircraft?

It's apparently recorded as being at Dimitrijewskaja, Russia in July '42 and then possibly transfered to the MTO (Sicily?) sometime late 42 early 43

No idea if any of this helps.

EDIT: Note the fuselage band, this was moved to the rear (in line with standard eastern front markings) in the winter of 42 so it was in Russia till at least then.
Also found this : I and II gruppen re-united with III gruppe in the Mediterranean theatre in mid 1943. In March-April 1943 II/ZG 1 converted to the Bf 110 G-1 and G-2 at Monte Corvino. This was the Gruppe's base until August when it was withdrawn from Italy. It would suggest a II./ZG 1 Aircraft..

Mysticpuma · #3 01-10-2011, 09:57 AM

Thanks for the replies chaps.

I asked this question on another forum, and they believe it was actually a scavenged aircraft, maybe 'captured' after the base was over-run?

The reasoning is that if it was a shot-down aircraft the aerial under the belly would have suffered damage if it had fallen from the sky?

I'm now trying to work out if this aircraft could have been shot-up and then RTB, but deemed irreparable?

Cheers, MP

Richie · #4 01-12-2011, 05:05 AM

That's always a really good place to look "az is biz". Great pics, skins and excellent source for photos.

Richie · #5 01-12-2011, 05:10 AM

I sent this pic of Hans-Joachim Marseille into "Az is biz" about a year ago that I scanned out of a German book about JG27. I never saw it before I bought the book.

150GCT_Veltro · #6 01-13-2011, 08:52 AM

@Mysticpuma, i post these other info from Ferdinando D'Amico.

Quote:

Originally Posted by veltro

A meno di errori di trascrizione (e considerando una pagina mancante al rapporto...), questi sono i Bf 110 trovati sul campo di Montecorvino:

S9+EN
S9+AP
S9+PP
S9+SP
S9+MN
S9+NP
S9+BN
S9+XN
S9+AN
S9+FM
S9+GM
S9+CM
S9+LM
S9+AM
S9+BN
S9+NN
S9+L?
S9+BC
S9+DN
S9+OT
S9+BP
CK+A1

insieme ai resti di altri sei Bf 110 completamente distrutti e non identificabili.

Purtroppo non risulta proprio lo "S9+MP"... anche se le probabilità che sia stato trovato in zona sono elevate (e non scarterei anche l'ipotesi di un errore di trascrizione, ad esempio, dello "NP")

Vi sono almeno tre filmati girati alle truppe inglesi che occuparono il campo di Montecorvino:

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...s-dive-bombers

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...munition-boxes

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65..._British-pilot

Tuttavia, il fatto che a Montecorvino furono basati gli Spitfires della RAF, fa venire qualche dubbio che la foto con i due ufficiali USAAF accanto al Bf 110 sia stata scattata su quel campo...

Tanto per fare degli esempi, a Trapani/Milo venne ritrovato il Bf 110 "S9+VP" ed a Catania lo "S9+BN".

These are the Bf-110 found on the Montecorvino airfiled, and 6 more were totally destroyed so was not possible to recognize the code.

S9+EN
S9+AP
S9+PP
S9+SP
S9+MN
S9+NP
S9+BN
S9+XN
S9+AN
S9+FM
S9+GM
S9+CM
S9+LM
S9+AM
S9+BN
S9+NN
S9+L?
S9+BC
S9+DN
S9+OT
S9+BP
CK+A1

There is not a S9+MP but this could be due also to an error in the code transcription (for ex. S9+NP). So, there are however high probabilities that S9+MP could have been found in Montecorvino aswell.

There are also three movies from British Troops about Montecorvino:

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...s-dive-bombers

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...munition-boxes

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65..._British-pilot

However, the fact that the RAF Spitfires were based in Montecorvino, brings some doubt the photo was taken on that field ... because of the two officers USAAF next to the Bf 110.

Some other examples: in Trapani airfiled was found the BF-110 S9+VP and in Catania S9+BN.

Mysticpuma · #7 01-13-2011, 03:50 PM

Thank you for the update.

I wonder then if this 110 may actually have been a victory of the 325th FG (it was taken by one of their pilots). Very intriguing!

Cheers, MP

geo.sessa · #8 01-16-2011, 10:05 AM

Ciao
Scusami se ti disturbo, volevo chiederti se è possibile avere copia del rapporto dei BF110 ritrovati a Montecorvino.
Grazie
Gennaro Sessa

Hi
Excuse me if I disturb you, I wanted to ask you if it is possible possession copy of the relationship of the BF110s found again to Montecorvino.
Thanks
Gennaro Sessa

Salerno (Italy)

Spinnetti · #9 01-14-2011, 12:23 PM

looks pretty clear that it was stripped for parts... see how the wing and tail were unbolted not torn off. Probably at a forward makeshift field. lack of parts and tired airframe, so was stripped of good parts to service other planes and left in the field?

Ltbear · #10 01-10-2011, 10:01 AM

ME-110 E1 code S9+MP

Unit 1./6 ZG1 "wespe"

Only period 1./6 ZG1 was in Italy was 5.43 - 8.43 locatet at Montecourvino as part of II. Fliegerkorps who flew Bf-110`s

Here are a few pictures

Doing the time in Italy it had three diffrent GS commodores

Obstlt Alfred Druschel, 1.3.43 - 12.4.43
Obstlt Joachim Blechschmidt, 12.4.43 - 13.7.43
Obstlt Lothar von Janson, 1943 - 10.3.44

As a unit it was disbanded 7.44

Cant find pilot details concerning that specific plane.