Hs-129 Gunsight

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by FG28_Kodiak

Easy solution
Minimum height for Zünder 25 (Fuse 25) was 10m (horizontal)

And if you look at point 25B. All purpose detonator, it says mV. 0.08sec and a bomb delay of 14sec. meaning 0.08sec to arm the bomb and 14 sec delay before she actually explodes....it also says this all purpose detonator was usuable for all land and sea targets with exception of heavyly armoured targets on land or sea.

[JG52Uther]

This should be posted in the bomb fusing thread.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

This should be posted in the bomb fusing thread.

Well I have given up there as there are too many smart Alexs that know it all, and would rather adjust than go by actual facts. As only what comes from a "offical" side is right, and the rest is just lazy and far fetched bull.....well you have read the comments.....never have I added so many in such a short time to my ignore list on any site before.

[JG52Uther]

Well the document posted above seems to be irrefutable proof that the fusing is wrong,and the HS129 bombsight seems to back that up,perhaps now TD will reconsider for the sake of realism.

[robtek]

The data this document shows says:
o.V. (ohne Verzögerung -> without delay) 0,08 s. Wrong -> correct 0 s.
m.V. (mit Verzögerung -> with delay) 14 s. Wrong -> correct 0,08s.

the rest, look 2 posts further

While the minimum altitude is printed, the arming time isn't.
and even then, it's the ONLY proven indication, so far, that TD's generaliziced arming delay is off.

The art of reading only what suits one's agenda!

[SUP / Revan]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Well the document posted above seems to be irrefutable proof that the fusing is wrong,and the HS129 bombsight seems to back that up,perhaps now TD will reconsider for the sake of realism.

I could not agree more with the above statement, chaps, goddamn.

[JtD]

For crying out loud, your "irrefutable proof" is a document which you do not understand? Man, educate yourself!

0.08s is fuse delay in the mode "m.V." - that's a delay you need for instance if you want a bomb to explode inside a house, behind armour or something like that.
14s is fuse delay in the mode "Vz" - that's a bomb delay that allows the plane to clear of the bomb before it explodes.
There's also the mode "o.V." - that's without any delay, instant action.

The arming times for the ELAZ 25B were
0.8-1.7s in the mode "Vz"
5.6-10.4s in the mode "m.V."
3.0-6.9s in the mode "o.V"
where the time range within each setting is due to the characteristics of the individual fuse, some being quicker to arm, some slower. If you do not give the bomb the maximum time to arm, you are risking duds, if you're not giving it the minimum time to arm, it will be a dud.

The minimum release altitude for the 25B fuse is also listed and given with 12m, that's for the "Vz" mode.

For those interested,
"o.V." - "ohne Verzögerung" - "without delay"
"m.V" - "mit Verzögerung" - "with delay"
"Vz" - "Verzug" - "delay" (but another word)

These settings could be chosen at the ZSK, the bomb arming apparatus installed in the aircraft, prior to dropping the bombs.

[Romanator21]

Thanks for the help with the documents Talonite.

I ran some tests, however, and the aiming guides don't seem to work as advertised

Dropping from 50 meters using the second indicator from the top works almost perfectly.

However, dropping from 100 meters, I had to use an area between the 3rd and 4th indicators.

From 100 meters, using the 3rd indicator led to the bombs falling short. The same occured at 200 using the 4th indicator.

All drops were done at almost exactly 300 kph, straight and level.

I don't know what the reason for the differences could be, but for now, I think I'll stick to dropping from 50-100 meters.

[SUP / Revan]

Man, educate yourself!

Et tut Uns leid, unsere Deutschekentnisse ist leider nicht genug, ein so fachspezifisches Dokument zu ubersetzen.

plus I got nothing but the cutposted above, still it's rather worth an official reconsideration about the minimal dropping heights

[talonite]

Originally Posted by Sven

I just drop the bombs on guess, and that usually works just fine, especially with columns of vehicles, as soon as the first vehicle passes under my nose at about 50 meters height, the AB-23 will do it's job very good.

Keep in mind, according to the manual, cluster bombs are not to be released lower than 200m above target.