4.10 Support & Bug Reporting

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Wutz

You forgot the British counterpart:

We certainly received some strange aircraft via lend-lease.

Has anyone else experienced frankly dreadful performance of the Me-262A-1a with the R4M rockets loaded? I couldn't get it to climb above 25,000ft with the rocket loadout. I don't know whether it's a 4.10 issue or not but I still thought it was strange how much they affected performance.

[Azimech]

Originally Posted by Pavloun

Hello,

Many thanks for the great improvements of 4.10, TD. You`re moving the game a great way closer to the reality.

I noticed night enviroment had been reworked as I flew the ILS test mission few times. Now night is much darker then before 4.10, but it seems to be achieveded by overall reduction of brightness.
1.
As it was mentioned in a post before, nav-lights and runway lights are very difficult to see in distance of just few kilometers during darkness, much harder then during daylight. Especially when using wide FOV.
Even though it should be the opposit, during clear night you can see aircraft nav-lighys in 20 km at least, landing lights or runway approach lights even more (just quick estimate).
2.
Cockpit instruments are VERY dim and hard to read even if lit during night.
3.
On-screen messages (throttle, flaps, etc.) tend to blind you with their brightness when the rest of the environment and cockpit is dark.
4.
Even though night is really dark and clear, stars are hard to see.

And the last and maybe least important.
I`d like to ask if B-25 could have woking landing lights.

Sorry for my English

I agree on this one, I request an increase of viewable distance for Light Emitting Objects like fires, search lights, runway lights, but also smoke, independent of viewable distance of objects like buildings. The searchlights reflecting in the clouds are a nice feature, Imagine large fires doing that.
I remember a game called "Driver" where you would race around town, and you spotted cars in the distance approaching you, then at a distance of less than 200 meters suddenly the headlights faded on. Always hated that.

Another curious detail was when flying high alt and passing a bomber, that after reaching a certain distance between myself and the bomber, the condensation stripes disappeared totally as they were switched off by the program. It eats less cpu cycles, that's true, but I wish it could be different.

I have no problem reading my instruments at night. But some planes did have a knob to regulate the power of the UV light. I can imagine such a thing too complex and too much work to be implemented.

Landing lights are a tricky thing though. At one point I scrambled while runway lights and landing lights switched on. My AC started rolling but because the landing light is a fixed texture, didn't see the runway surface change. I became disoriented because I thought my brakes were on, and drove off the runway. My fault, I scramble without them now, they're called LANDING lights anyway.

Something else: I request a feature if not already done so: In loadout options of you AC, let people fix their own standard trimming options for every flight and every type like pilots did on the ground. Let them figure out their preferences through trial and error. Don't make an option for saving preferences, let them write them down (it's only three small variables anyway). If you want the trim discussion to stop, this is your ticket

[TheGrunch]

The main thing that I would say about the landing lights on the actual aircraft is that they don't really seem to actually light anything up except the side of your aircraft, making them utterly pointless. There's currently not much use for them even in pitch darkness other than to make your position very obvious. You can see this simply by sitting on the runway in darkness and turning on the landing lights. No visible effect on the lighting of the terrain can be seen. Not really an issue in pre 4.10 versions, but now that we have real dark nights it would be nice to have lights that actually light up terrain.

[PE_Tigar]

My last 2 cents on landing lights - they do have some effect in Il-2, but much smaller than in RL. In real airplanes landing without a working landing light in the night is considered an emergency procedure, and in anything faster and less sturdy then a small piston airplane it is very tricky (unless you have radar altimeter, that can be useful). Frankly, in B-25 mission I practiced over and over, the bigger problem were the invisible runway lights. You do need some visibility even for precision approaches nowadays, CAT I (which is basically what we have for B-25s) calls for 200 feet vertical and 550m RVR/800m visibility. Though if I had an option to either risk it and follow an imperfect GS all the way to the ground, or ditch in the South Pacific, I would take my chances with the approach .

Also, I can't remember anyone answering the questions I had in the beginning - what is the glideslope angle used and how far from the runway I need to be for the "tower" to activate the runway lights (and if this value can somehow be changed by mission builders)?

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by Azimech

I agree on this one, I request an increase of viewable distance for Light Emitting Objects like fires, search lights, runway lights, but also smoke, independent of viewable distance of objects like buildings. The searchlights reflecting in the clouds are a nice feature, Imagine large fires doing that.
I remember a game called "Driver" where you would race around town, and you spotted cars in the distance approaching you, then at a distance of less than 200 meters suddenly the headlights faded on. Always hated that.

Another curious detail was when flying high alt and passing a bomber, that after reaching a certain distance between myself and the bomber, the condensation stripes disappeared totally as they were switched off by the program. It eats less cpu cycles, that's true, but I wish it could be different.

I have no problem reading my instruments at night. But some planes did have a knob to regulate the power of the UV light. I can imagine such a thing too complex and too much work to be implemented.

Landing lights are a tricky thing though. At one point I scrambled while runway lights and landing lights switched on. My AC started rolling but because the landing light is a fixed texture, didn't see the runway surface change. I became disoriented because I thought my brakes were on, and drove off the runway. My fault, I scramble without them now, they're called LANDING lights anyway.

Something else: I request a feature if not already done so: In loadout options of you AC, let people fix their own standard trimming options for every flight and every type like pilots did on the ground. Let them figure out their preferences through trial and error. Don't make an option for saving preferences, let them write them down (it's only three small variables anyway). If you want the trim discussion to stop, this is your ticket

+1 for these ideas, excellent. Yes the visibility distance for night lights needs to be increased, and that pre-trimming idea is a good one. And yes, the landing light in Il2 will actually have to work now and illuminate the ground for the pilot prior to landing, not just be a shiny texture.

[A.Fokker]

4.10, installed over a working 4.09 just won`t start.
I have no idea what is going on.
4.07 works
4.08 works
4.09 works
4.10 does not work
?

I do have the No-CD thingie.
Anybody in the know or is this a bug?
Always the same error

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Edit: solved by downloading again!

[ataribaby]

Another 4.10 bug with me-163 komet. Player AP is unable to take off. it constantly on/off engine and just ride on ground. in 4.09 all ok. AI AP is ok.

[Tempest123]

Does anyone have a problem with german jets catching fire prior to takeoff in 4.10?

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Tempest123

Does anyone have a problem with german jets catching fire prior to takeoff in 4.10?

That happened in 4.09 also if you moved the throttel too fast ahead. If that is the issue you are talking about, that is right the way it is, as those early jet engines could only excellorate very slowly compared to modern jet engines.

[Sven]

Originally Posted by Wutz

That happened in 4.09 also if you moved the throttel too fast ahead. If that is the issue you are talking about, that is right the way it is, as those early jet engines could only excellorate very slowly compared to modern jet engines.

Nah I think he means something which has been mentioned many times before in this thread, that is when you switch to AI or something that the engines will catch fire.