4.10 Support & Bug Reporting

[vparez]

The pitch trim, can be adjusted, only it is much more pronounced now, but ok...

I am much more worried about the roll which is un-trimmable right now in the Spitfire.

For people who fly a bit and fight in small dogfight arenas that is not really much of a hassle, but for people who fly a 2-3h long mission in SEOW and navigate over very long distances, this is a much bigger problem.

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by vparez

The pitch trim, can be adjusted, only it is much more pronounced now, but ok...

I am much more worried about the roll which is un-trimmable right now in the Spitfire.

For people who fly a bit and fight in small dogfight arenas that is not really much of a hassle, but for people who fly a 2-3h long mission in SEOW and navigate over very long distances, this is a much bigger problem.

If you have money rudder pedals are a nice solution. Most of the difficult is to try to counter sideslip in the joystick. Using the pedals you just need to hold your legs in a right position.

[Flanker35M]

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So people complain now when they actually have to fly the Sissyfire? It was a plane like the rest of them, without a fly-by-wire The trim tabs on ailerons, or any other control surface, were set to a certain speed where they kept the plane in a more or less trimmed state. Exceed this speed and it begins to roll/yaw/pitch and you need to counter it, either with trim if applicable or applying countering force with controls. This seems the case in 4.10m, which is good!

Same applies for Bf109 for example, it was trimmed with the aileron/rudder tabs to a certain speed, say 300km/h or cruise speed, where minimum input was needed. Many pilots state they needed to counter the changed trim especially as there were no pilot controlled rudder/aileron trims but only for elevator. In IL-2 you have always needed to fly the Bf109 due this, so if I need to fly a Sissyfire it is nothing different to me.

Just wait for SoW and we will need a brigade of Whambulances with the new FM if it is that complex as Oleg has stated. No more ridiculous planes on rails, which is good. US planes had the luxury of having all control surfaces trimmed and even boosted.

TD added some more pilot work and whining ensues. I wish all the planes would behave the same, requiring more pilot input so you can not just set the plane to fly and go eat lunch

[vparez]

Well I got pedals, but I am not seeing this roll as an issue of discomfort for me or anyone else, but I tend to think: would they build a fighter, that was supposedly very easy and pleasant to fly, and yet make him need control inputs throughout the flight?

Come on, which other plane in IL-2 needs constant control input at cruise conditions? I-16?

Now I really miss my "Spitfire Story" book that is back in my home country, but even in wiki you can find some things like this:

...After a thorough pre-flight check I would take off and, once at circuit height, I would trim the aircraft and try to get her to fly straight and level with hands off the stick ... Once the trim was satisfactory I would take the Spitfire up in a full-throttle climb at 2,850 rpm to the rated altitude of one or both supercharger blowers...

Edit: If TD finds the little tests I posted earlier useful, it would be great; otherwise I really don't want to bother here anymore with people who don't read whole posts, and just reply based on some keywords that tick them off.

[Sven]

Found a bug/glitch in the take off procedure of the Lerche. Once you apply the chocks in, the aircraft will act like a UFO, it's a bit difficult to explain, hence I have the track here in my attachment, this saucer behaviour will only work when you have both engines on, you will also become invulnerable to the ground.

I dont know if this was always this way, but I think I have used the chocks before.

[TheGrunch]

The Spitfire always used to roll to the left AAAALLL the time in Il-2, as I recall, like the aileron trim tab hadn't been set. I stopped flying it in campaigns because my wrist started hurting. It's always been a problem with the Spit in Il-2, hasn't it? What's different now, other than the degree of elevator trim required?

[=XIII=Wedge]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

The Spitfire always used to roll to the left AAAALLL the time in Il-2, as I recall, like the aileron trim tab hadn't been set. I stopped flying it in campaigns because my wrist started hurting. It's always been a problem with the Spit in Il-2, hasn't it? What's different now, other than the degree of elevator trim required?

Except for me and and a few other from what I can gather in this thread the Spitfire is rolling to the right. As the spinner is turning clockwise the torque effect should be causing the Spitfire to roll to the left.

Does anyone have an explanation for a roll in the direction of the prop?

[bolox]

Originally Posted by SPITACE

hi all was any thing done [updated] to the JU88-A4 cockpit in the 4.10 update?? if it was i can not see it

well the altimeter now reads 1000's m
peil compass has improved function

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by =XIII=Wedge

Except for me and and a few other from what I can gather in this thread the Spitfire is rolling to the right. As the spinner is turning clockwise the torque effect should be causing the Spitfire to roll to the left.

Does anyone have an explanation for a roll in the direction of the prop?

There are trim tabs, adjusted on ground in such a way, that the plane flies steady at cruise speed. Below cruise speed it should roll to left, above CS it should roll to right. Is it that way?

[vparez]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

There are trim tabs, adjusted on ground in such a way, that the plane flies steady at cruise speed. Below cruise speed it should roll to left, above CS it should roll to right. Is it that way?

No, it isn't

The only time I can make a spitfire roll to the left is when it is below 280kph IAS and no rudder trim has been used. That can be obtained in a stable manner only in a trimmed climb, and the moment I use rudder trim to neutralize the side slip, it starts rolling right, even at that speed.

Maybe there is something wrong with my install, or with my joystick? Strange, that all other planes seem to be acting normal...