4.10 Support & Bug Reporting

[NT_Smiley]

Originally Posted by Klaus

A big problem: the Spitfire is now impossible to trim correctly.

This fact is not realistic at all !

Have you got any solution ??

I saw some notes about troubles in spitfire's FMD, but no answers at all ???

I think that's a major problem, totally in opposition with reality!: evil:
I can't believe only one or two users found that wrong setting.
Where are you guys? Did you try airplanes in flight or just looked from the cockpit on ground position?

We need to know if will do something to fix that point, if you won’t you will see soon or later a new buttons file coming from the dark side of your world.

May I have an answer, please!

[FS~Phat]

Noticed a few other have commented on this also and DT has not yet offered a comment on my post several pages ago and the more recent posts by people??

I can fly level with about 12% down elevator trim in 4.09m but require about 32% with 4.10m. This does indeed effect the flight model and response of the aircraft when trimmed for level flight.
Can DT please advise if this was intentional and by design or if it's a potential bug?

cheers

[_RAAF_Furball]

RE: setting confs.ini to CRT=1 and CRT=2 not allowing players to join a server.
(see pages 2, 10, 16, 17, 24 & 26)

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Confirmed as a bug, can happen at special circumstances.

Thank you.
Will it be fixed or do we need to take our server back to 4.09, in which CRT=1 and CRT=2 did work?

Thank you for your work on this great game - it is MUCH appreciated by the IL2 Community.

[GOA_Potenz]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Bugs are bound to crop up with a patch of this size. No need to be a troll about it.

oh come one i did modifications for this game before
we didn't delay such a long time to came up with a pile up
of bugs, plus still keep porked german FM while keep tunnig
US and GB FM for the masses

[IvanK]

For those debating Spitfire Elevator trim and the fact that they are seeing the elevator deflected visibly in external views when trimmed out. Well have a look at a few Air to Air shots of Spitfires and check out the position of the elevator. Its pretty characteristic of the type. Here is a couple of images of a MKXVI (Belongs to the Australian Temora collection) taken from an O2 whilst sitting in close formation and all nicely trimmed out speed at the time 130 Knots IAS:

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

I don't know, what numbers are suitable for Yak fighters, but the ones you named, do not sound strange to me. And yes, at a fixed power (throttle) setting, a fixed prop pitch mean stable revolutions (RPM). You must understand, 100% propitch doesn't mean a flat propellar. The pitch is set for a wanted RPM.

I still wonder, what seems so strange to you in this?

I think he says that RPM do not react to prop pitch change from 100% to 50% like the prop is not constant speed one, but a variable pitch one with discrete positions. However, he should at least see RPM change with speed then. I can't test how it is now, but I think all yaks in 4.09 used to have constant speed props.

[SkyFan]

Originally Posted by Ernst

Ok, SkyFan. Only a joking. I believe you.

Sorry, may be my bad English didn't let me to understand it

Originally Posted by Ernst

Sorry for my bad joke and sarcasm. Salute!

Everything is OK, relax and have a nice New Year

[Azimech]

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

oh come one i did modifications for this game before
we didn't delay such a long time to came up with a pile up
of bugs, plus still keep porked german FM while keep tunnig
US and GB FM for the masses

Go be a jerk somewhere else will ye.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

Can DT please advise if this was intentional and by design or if it's a potential bug?

It's intentional.

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

Noticed a few other have commented on this also and DT has not yet offered a comment on my post several pages ago and the more recent posts by people??

I can fly level with about 12% down elevator trim in 4.09m but require about 32% with 4.10m. This does indeed effect the flight model and response of the aircraft when trimmed for level flight.
Can DT please advise if this was intentional and by design or if it's a potential bug?

cheers

Well, I'm no fan of the Spit and so I rarely fly it. However, I am curious about bug reports and this one is easy to test (if you still have a 4.09 version available, like I do).

I tested the 4.09 Spit 25lb vs the same plane in 4.10. It only takes 15 minutes for a simple test like this and you don't need an engineering degree either.

The man has a point. The two planes are totally different. Not only does the 4.10 Spit need a lot more down trim (I will roughly estimate about 2 1/2 times more), but the engine torque is much stronger on the 4.10 Spit...to the point it almost seems unflyable to me.

If you try and counteract the 4.10 torque (for level flight) with rudder or rudder trim, you need so much there's no way you can fly a straight heading. You will constantly loop to your left. In 4.09, a few clicks of the rudder trim left and the plane will fly straight and level.

Now, I have no idea which flight model is 'correct', but there's no way these two Spit FM's were the same. Not even close. (Also, to be fair, I only tested this one Spit model.)

However, has DT officially stated that the 4.09 and 4.10 Spit FM's are the same? (If not, there's not much anyone can do, is there?)

I'm just glad I'm not a Spit fan.


**EDIT - In the 4.10 Readme: 'Revised flight models for all Spitfires.'

Well, that says it all. The only reason I made this post was because I felt sorry for the people who I thought were being ignored by DT. I thought the issue was whether or not the Spit FM's were changed in 4.10.

Since the FM changes are documented in the Readme, I have no more comment. I'm not an expert on FM's so I don't get caught up in those kind of topics.

Aviar