Ethics of pilots fighting for the sides in WWII

[Theshark888]

Originally Posted by moilami

You didn't even got oil then? What a fail

That's the American way I'm afraid The evil country that we are

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

That's the American way I'm afraid The evil country that we are

Lol, I will someday travel in America and talk with people...just to see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc4FXHunHMw

Seriously, I will see someday "real America" and meet real American people.

[Splitter]

Sorry, not all American women look like that . Sadly, I don't even have to watch the video to remember that there is this one gal in there in a blue bikini, dark Rayban shades....yeah, when I was young I saw it a few times <cough>.

Apparently Bush was really bad at the whole making money in war thing because his net worth is about $25 million. Of course, that's before his number one selling book. Now, that's comfortable, even very wealthy. But....it pales in comparison to many past presidents.

To believe that presidents go to war for money, you have to believe that:
1) they are evil. You must bring yourself to believe that they are eager to sacrifice lives for money, even American lives ('cause wouldn't it make sense that, given their evilness, they only value American lives?).
2) they are really bad at turning a profit because we always end up spending a lot more than we take in.

Feminism: Actually, over 2 million little girls are now in school in Afghanistan. They were prohibited from being educated under the Taliban. I think the Afghan constitution even calls for 25% of the governing body to be female. It would be hard for anyone to put that genie back the bottle (thank goodness).

PS...I am not a huge Bush fan. I have read his book and I am still not a huge fan. But now I understand why he made some of the decisions he did. If you have an opinion on the wars, you should read what the source has to say and then decide for yourself.

Splitter

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Splitter

Sorry, not all American women look like that .

Lol I know. And I am not looking for that kind of girls. I would have nothing in common with them and they are uninteresting except as art of the nature, that is in pictures.

Originally Posted by Splitter

PS...I am not a huge Bush fan. I have read his book and I am still not a huge fan. But now I understand why he made some of the decisions he did. If you have an opinion on the wars, you should read what the source has to say and then decide for yourself.

Lol Bush has published a book? I wonder who wrote it for him Anyway it is a must to read.

(I don't by the way argue with you about politics. I have got enough of it. Will just soon continue conquering France with Bf 109. I wonder by the way what are the differences between FW-190 and Bf 109 in IL-2 the game? Should start a thread for that and call for pilot opinions. I am rather undecided between those two planes.)

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

Don't you think there are easier ways for a corporation or president for that matter, to make billions of dollars instead of going to war?

Not for defense companies.

It also serves all kind of government programs.

If you have ever served, maybe you had the chance to check an inventory list.
All of the sudden, a standard toilet seat worth $20, is worth $150.
Where does this money go?

Oh, btw, you did get the oil, or at least some of it:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

Apparently Bush was really bad at the whole making money in war thing because his net worth is about $25 million.

talk about fringe benefits, lol

[Richie]

Originally Posted by moilami

Lol I know. And I am not looking for that kind of girls. I would have nothing in common with them and they are uninteresting except as art of the nature, that is in pictures.



Lol Bush has published a book? I wonder who wrote it for him Anyway it is a must to read.

(I don't by the way argue with you about politics. I have got enough of it. Will just soon continue conquering France with Bf 109. I wonder by the way what are the differences between FW-190 and Bf 109 in IL-2 the game? Should start a thread for that and call for pilot opinions. I am rather undecided between those two planes.)

Oh my....Lots of differences. With the early 109s up to the G2s if you know how to fly them well you can dogfight with almost anything. I've made a Spitfire IX stall into the sea with an F4 in a turning fight and I've done the same thing with P-40s. On the other had Spitfire Vs are very very hard. An F4 is much faster than a Spitfire V, with your rads closed and downward trim you can almost get 500 kms out of her. But I wouldn't turn with a V. With a 190 you always have full control in dives at high speed making it an ultimate zoomer boomer. 190s take a long time to over heat also but then so to early 109s especially Daimler Benz 601s. One thing that needs to be corrected in IL-2 is the speed of the K4. It should be faster than a 51. That would be a problem in some missions for the Allies LOL. Late model 109s aren't bad but they are more difficult. They are heavier and need more attention. They aren't fast at all at ground level..only on boost. You need to get 5, 6 k then you start to move. I would take a G6/AS, G-10, G14/AS. The only thing you'll have problems with in a dogfight is the Spitfire. 51s are always a problem until he's dumb enough to dogfight. If the 109 pilot knows his 109 the 51 won't win. I don't really fly 190s at all but the early ones can dogfight if you know them well. I liked the A6. If you dive a 109 fast and you have to make a turn to shoot forget it. Like the books say it does get awful stiff. You can dive it faster than most people think though and it has great exhileration in the dive. Franz Stigler in interviews was saying all of this stuff about 109s wings flying off under the slightest stress was nonsense. Sure don't dive with a P-47 that thing is built like a tiger tank. Last thoughts are simple.. They are tricky and need time to master but both are great aeroplanes.

[swiss]

wrong thread?

[Richie]

Originally Posted by swiss

wrong thread?

Ethics?...moilami was wondering the difference between the two. A 109 and 190?

[Splitter]

lol, he was "rich" before he entered office. As was Clinton and as is Obama.

BTW, the whole "war for money" thing must also apply to Obama because we are still there and even doing a troop surge in Afghanistan. Now, I guess since Obama is only worth about $10 million, he needs the money too .

Splitter

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Richie

Oh my....Lots of differences. With the early 109s up to the G2s if you know how to fly them well you can dogfight with almost anything. I've made a Spitfire IX stall into the sea with an F4 in a turning fight and I've done the same thing with P-40s. On the other had Spitfire Vs are very very hard. An F4 is much faster than a Spitfire V, with your rads closed and downward trim you can almost get 500 kms out of her. But I wouldn't turn with a V. With a 190 you always have full control in dives at high speed making it an ultimate zoomer boomer. 190s take a long time to over heat also but then so to early 109s especially Daimler Benz 601s. One thing that needs to be corrected in IL-2 is the speed of the K4. It should be faster than a 51. That would be a problem in some missions for the Allies LOL. Late model 109s aren't bad but they are more difficult. They are heavier and need more attention. They aren't fast at all at ground level..only on boost. You need to get 5, 6 k then you start to move. I would take a G6/AS, G-10, G14/AS. The only thing you'll have problems with in a dogfight is the Spitfire. 51s are always a problem until he's dumb enough to dogfight. If the 109 pilot knows his 109 the 51 won't win. I don't really fly 190s at all but the early ones can dogfight if you know them well. I liked the A6. If you dive a 109 fast and you have to make a turn to shoot forget it. Like the books say it does get awful stiff. You can dive it faster than most people think though and it has great exhileration in the dive. Franz Stigler in interviews was saying all of this stuff about 109s wings flying off under the slightest stress was nonsense. Sure don't dive with a P-47 that thing is built like a tiger tank. Last thoughts are simple.. They are tricky and need time to master but both are great aeroplanes.

Ok thanks, I think I will fly tens of missions with each Bf 109 variant before beginning to study 190.