Ethics of pilots fighting for the sides in WWII

[Flanker35M]

S!

Well said Dietger. Human nature has never changed, never will. We are masters when it comes to find ways killing another human being...

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Dietger

I for my part dont believe in killing for peace and shoting bad ppl anymore.
We all are free by nature!, its your own government, in the first case, that oppresses ppl. And motivates ppl to kill each other for greed...

Unfortunately, freedom isn't free.
There will be always ppl who try to take it from you.

Is killing for freedom justified? Hell - YES!

[Richie]

Say to the politicians on each side, if you want to have this war fine, but you're going to fight too. You're going to fight along side all of the young sons and daughters who are going to die in this. Do you still want to have this war or do you want to work the problem out somehow.


If only that were possible but it's not.

The last thing I saw where anything was done that way was Henry V and the war between England and France.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Richie

Say to the politicians on each side, if you want to have this war fine, but you're going to fight too. You're going to fight along side all of the young sons and daughters who are going to die in this. Do you still want to have this war or do you want to work the problem out somehow.


If only that were possible but it's not.

The last thing I saw where anything was done that way was Henry V and the war between England and France.

Oh also a little later Napoleon was also along on the battlefields. I am certain he enjoyed his trip back from Moscow.

[Dietger]

I beg to differ!

As a human being, I believe peace and freedom are free!
And by their very nature easy to keep!

If someone wants to make you "pay" for it, they lie.

Being attacked or helping a poor soul is as well your right. Notwehr-Selfdefense!

But that is, be no means PEACE-KEEPING, cos some morron already broke it! Read Herbert Markuse on it in: "The one dimentional man".
You have to use force. And everyone has the right to do so....after trying to solf the problem peacefully and in mature mannor.

But.

You defend yourself: >>STANDING YOUR OWN GROUND<< sence this phrase literally!

If you find yourself taking other mens live, somewhere far from home - somthing is going utterly wrong. And (!) your probably be infact the "bad" guy, the attacker - NOT the defender.

If materialism, struggle for resource, dominance, simple greed drive the governments around the globe, its of course hard to "keep" peace, LOL since you constantley seek to suppress others!

In the case of WWII, the world had to face Hitler and there for the axis.

But that doesent mean that masskilling by Bristish or US or (whom ever), is better then masskilling by Germans or Japanese!

In regards of todays "asymetrical war(s)": there is no defense against terror!

- other then(real heartfelt) dialog.

Again, its a thin line ....

[Skoshi Tiger]

[QUOTE=Richie;204946]Say to the politicians on each side, if you want to have this war fine, but you're going to fight too. You're going to fight along side all of the young sons and daughters who are going to die in this. Do you still want to have this war or do you want to work the problem out somehow.
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Then America could send in Arnold Schwarzenegger and we all know how that would end!!!!!

[Dietger]

Originally Posted by Richie

Say to the politicians on each side, if you want to have this war fine, but you're going to fight too. You're going to fight along side all of the young sons and daughters who are going to die in this. Do you still want to have this war or do you want to work the problem out somehow.


If only that were possible but it's not.

The last thing I saw where anything was done that way was Henry V and the war between England and France.

Richie, I didnt think I would, or had done, anything better then our forebears.
Its easy to see better and know it all afterwards, thats what I tried to say here.
S!

[Avala]

Originally Posted by swiss

Unfortunately, freedom isn't free.
There will be always ppl who try to take it from you.

Is killing for freedom justified? Hell - YES!

This is pure psychopathic sentence. (I don't say that Swiss is psychopath, he is just being taken by them)

I suggest you guys to read the book "Political Ponerology" by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. Its not about politics its about psychology and how handful of psychopaths rule our world with the help from the phrases like that.

Hitler was psychopath, but Roosevelt and Stalin was also (from some reason psychologists say that Churchill wasn't). Sadam was also, can you guess for Bush or Obama?

[Avala]

Originally Posted by llama_thumper

Has anyone mentioned the chute-killing and civilian-straffing 'honourable' Luftwaffe pilots yet during the Poland 1939 campaign (not to mention the bombing of civilian cities way before Rotterdam or London)? Thought it might be worth a mention since some posters here seem to have amnesia when mentioning the Luftwaffe pilots were 'just doing their job'... or is that OK since they didn't do that in the West (apparently?)?

Also, back in 1999 when USAF bombed my country (and killed 5000 civilians), that was just their job. Nothing bad . . .

[Dietger]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

S!

Well said Dietger. Human nature has never changed, never will. We are masters when it comes to find ways killing another human being...

S!
Yes Flanker an old and sad story. Only good thing: war and weapon make for nice games afterwards LOL