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[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by moilami

After that I am interested to know how you define what is a big sacrifice soldiers in WW2 did?

For one, there is western allied tank troops going up against panzers in shermans, where the tactic was to form a circle, and race in, with the panzer shooting shermans and the last sherman in the circle hopefully getting close enough in that time to shoot the panzer.

Yes, the sherman was that crap. However, it was easy and cheap to make, and many thousands were made, almost as many as the soviets made t34s, but the soviets made bigger tanks too.

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

For one, there is western allied tank troops going up against panzers in shermans, where the tactic was to form a circle, and race in, with the panzer shooting shermans and the last sherman in the circle hopefully getting close enough in that time to shoot the panzer.

Yes, the sherman was that crap. However, it was easy and cheap to make, and many thousands were made, almost as many as the soviets made t34s, but the soviets made bigger tanks too.

Thank you very much of your input, Igo Kyu. I realized something essential.

Also thanks to Wutz of his comment, was very interesting opinion.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

For one, there is western allied tank troops going up against panzers in shermans, where the tactic was to form a circle, and race in, with the panzer shooting shermans and the last sherman in the circle hopefully getting close enough in that time to shoot the panzer.

Yes, the sherman was that crap. However, it was easy and cheap to make, and many thousands were made, almost as many as the soviets made t34s, but the soviets made bigger tanks too.

Yes the well known "Tommy cookers" or "Ronsons" I know one fellow through my parents he was in the battle of the Bulge, although not in a "Tommy cooker" but the other side. He got his tank seven times shot out beneith his but.

As to viewing the opponent as human, when my grandfather surrendered with his comrad, a grenade went off as they both had their hands up. My granddads comrad got shrapnel in the head and was dead on the spot, my granddad when he was allowed to lower his hands saw that he had lost all his fingers except his thumb on the right hand. But his captures where very kind to him and treated his wound very well so that it healed very well. They could have also shot him, but they didn´t. Thinking of another episode which my granddad told me, a officer caught two on sentry duty sleeping, this officer thought he was smart and removed the bolts of their rifels and went away. In the mean time those two woke up and noticed their bolts where missing and got replacements. That officer came then back, he was called upon to say the pass word, but he thought "what are they going to do I have their bolts" so he said nothing. So those two shot that officer as he did not say the pass word.

I personally prefer to stay human where I can, only when driven to an extrem another side may appear, I hope this will never happen.

[Biggs [CV]]

In a way its the code of honor that fighter pilots are supposed to live by. There are written rules of war and there are un-written rules of war. Killing a helpless pilot in his cute is just something that fighter pilots are not supposed to do. Infantry live by a differant set of rules, similiar, but differant.

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Biggs [CV]

In a way its the code of honor that fighter pilots are supposed to live by. There are written rules of war and there are un-written rules of war. Killing a helpless pilot in his cute is just something that fighter pilots are not supposed to do. Infantry live by a differant set of rules, similiar, but differant.

Yeah, I know. I call those "don't shoot in ur leg while maintaining holier than thou image".

That is exactly one reason why those pilots who shooted chutes sacrificed so much for their country and people.