Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by II/JG54_Emil

The only problem is that Oleg stated that he never balanced the game but used raw RL data only.

Please don't be so naive.

Did Oleg personally input the data himself.

I am well aware that the intention was always to have a running updated IL2 series as credible data was made available the aircraft were "adjusted".

The problem is are the Russian TsAGI reports 100% accurate in IL2

Also the captured Fw190 A8 test is a perfect example of incorrect data.

Aircraft weights and bombs, rocket pylons, weapons all have anomalies bias.

Ok last post for me before in this thread......... I get too wound up

Just hope DT address some of these bugs/exploits whatever

Edit: spelling

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Please don't be so naive.

Did Oleg personally input the data himself ?

I can only tell you what he said in an interview.

How he is organizing the workflow in his team, I can´t tell you but that shouldn´t a topic here.

[KWM_Rammbock]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Its called game balancing.

ok, well that explains quite a lot of things. it is a shame, in terms of credibility.

looking into the game data, i saw that the russian armement pylones where listed weighing 0kg whereas the german's weigh tonnes...

Nevertheless, i want to thank the daidalos team, for their immense work! looking forward to test their radio navigation mod!

[WTE_Galway]

OK lets distinguish between two things ...

a) game balancing where modifications are made to red and blue side so they have roughly equal chances of success

b) game balancing where inherent biases in the game engine are countered by adjusting data. For example if the game-engine/damage-model used means heavy machine guns are too effective when compared to real life, then adjust the figures for those guns so overall they behave more realistically.


I had the impression that in IL2 a) does NOT occur but b) does. This means unless you know the reasons for the adjustments viewing the raw data in the cracked code can give a false impression of game bias.

It also means that in terms of user created aircraft just plugging in the correct raw data does NOT guarantee an aircraft that performs correctly compared to the historical original.

[Chivas]

I don't believe Oleg balanced the sim, but used what he thought was the best data he had.

The data is the big problem. We can't compare the WW2 aircraft now, but have to rely on data written by people who may have had a bias one way or another, or more likely even they could not do a comprehensive assessment.

What we have is very playable except for everyones favorite aircraft which is of course "porked". lol

[Tempest123]

I have a small request that I've been thinking about. The grass runways (not the fields) in the winter and summer are nearly invisible, and I find it's impossible to make a good approach to them because you need to be nearly overhead to make out where they are, can the textures for these be darkened? Due to the "bumpy ground" effect there is often only a short strip of some 40 to 50 feet wide to make a safe landing in. I know that lights/fires could be placed etc. but I find this affects the Dgen campaign missions as well.

[zaelu]

The bias of IL2 is like this:

Say you want to "represent" 2 sniper teams from a historic battle. You can model the accuracy of gunners, the quality of weapons they used in a degree... but you can't mimic the fact that one of the team was starving all that time. That's why it lost... but in your simulation... it will win.

[JAMF]

Originally Posted by zaelu

The bias of IL2 is like this:

Say you want to "represent" 2 sniper teams from a historic battle. You can model the accuracy of gunners, the quality of weapons they used in a degree... but you can't mimic the fact that one of the team was starving all that time. That's why it lost... but in your simulation... it will win.

The mission builder would set the AI level of the starving team lower.

Originally Posted by Chivas

We can't compare the WW2 aircraft now, but have to rely on data written by people who may have had a bias one way or another, or more likely even they could not do a comprehensive assessment.

Partially true. It's possible to have an aircraft simulated these days. I'm not saying it would be to the NASA number crunching level, but you would get very close to real numbers of drag, Mach-number on compression and other numbers that are needed for an aircraft's flight envelope. If only to confirm the numbers someone is using are close enough.

[ImpalerNL]

A new large west european map would a nice addition.

[skyfox]

Originally Posted by Chivas

What we have is very playable except for everyones favorite aircraft which is of course "porked". lol

How true. lol
The one constant bug in every combat sim out there. in