Ethics of pilots fighting for the sides in WWII

[Theshark888]

http://www.flieger-lynchmorde.de/Text/auflistung.htm

http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/Russ...elsheim01.html

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety...9/metzger.html

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by moilami

No, it was not a joke. What's wrong in making virtual Lentolaivue 34 a squadron par excellence, as it was in real?

I will have to discuss with you privately someday about stuff.


(Sorry everyone for OT.)

Just in case, I said:

Sorry for offtopic but I have never belonged to LeLv34.

You dont see many of the Finnish squads anymore on the public df servers in HL because we're elsewhere.

If it was a joke... Well, you moilami have made better ones.

Which was a reply to your:

Train my friend. And hopefully we see Lentolaivue 34 reformed and brought back to its former glory with Erkki et all.

If you want to make fun of people, at least dont do it behind their backs.

[engarde]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

I don't really feel like discussing this. But, I'm deferring to the judgment of the community and posting the reply in this new thread.







The war shouldn't have happened. Following orders didn't help.

I recognise that the difference between one person fighting for their life and another isn't that great. Many people on the allied side were fighting for the wrong reasons as well (even though the side was the one that needed to win for humanity's sake).

But it doesn't change the fact that a lot of good people and innocents were killed by German pilots fighting the war. It also doesn't change the fact that they were fighting on behalf of a nation which had a horrible and inhumane regime that was simultaneously conducting horrible crimes.

Does that make sense?




I agree that Triggaaar is right that there were choices btw. Not easy ones though (especially for patriots or people who cared about what other's thought).

One can look at the treatment of draft dodgers or people who went AWOL in the past decade - in America - during wars of lower intensity, less ideology and less risk to the home country.

Ethics?

This is a useless topic as there is no way you can accurately determine what a totally different society, including the society of fighter pilots in a particular squadron etc, had as their values in days gone by.

Might as well post a question as to the Boer soldiers attitudes.

You'll get replies, but what worth opinion?

[Auger73]

Originally Posted by Flying Pencil

No.

While the statement is technically true, it misses the entire scope, and that is what is wrong.
Basically, not all German pilots fired weapons, and not many of those where hard core Nazi, it was a mission they where ordered to do, like it or not.
You also need to consider other regimes that ordered their pilots to basically kill innocent civilians, even though they did want to.
I am not defending Nazis.

I could go on, but other have points as well.

I agree with you.

My grandfather (while not a combat pilot or Nazi) was a weapons inspector for the Luftwaffe. He did take planes up when there were reports of weapon malfunctions, to see if it really was just the product of fear in combat. After a few months in a Russian prisoner of war camp, he was released and later worked under NATO.

My dad, who was a kid during WWII in Germany, told me about a group of British fighters coming in at dawn on a Sunday morning and strafing a bunch of people in a cemetery attending a funeral.

I'll fly whatever aircraft I am interested in to fly, because this is a simulation, and not reality. When I play, I focus on situational awareness, and the mission at hand, not ideologies.

I want to have fun in a game, and not think about the many millions of people who lost their lives during WWII. If I want a more somber experience, I would visit a war memorial, or even a museum. The WWII memorial in Washington DC is quite remarkable.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

http://www.flieger-lynchmorde.de/Text/auflistung.htm

http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/Russ...elsheim01.html

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety...9/metzger.html

Oh man ........ Where do you come from? I just read that article about Rüsselsheim.....how would you react if someone had just tried to wipe out your existance, and your family and you had that person then in front of you? One could almost think you would run up and say here I am take your 45 you can´t miss now. Only a kid would post such stuff. I am pretty certain any bomber crew any where in the world, if they had been brought down near their target, that the inhabbitants certainly would not give them a joyous reception. I am not saying it is good what happened but I can understand them. I am certain my grandmother would not have held back at the pilots of those low flying planes that strafed their refugee treck, if she had been given the opportunity. I doubt very much that anyone would have friendly feeling towards anyone who just tried to kill you.

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Erkki

Just in case, I said:



Which was a reply to your:



If you want to make fun of people, at least dont do it behind their backs.

This is public forum and therefore in theory I can't make fun of people behind their backs who supposedly read this forum. But my apologies if you have felt so and even more if you have thought I was making fun of you behind your back.

Anyway I think I understood something, and by the way, of course I knew you are not a pilot in LLv34. That I did not know that you haven't ever been a pilot in it.

What I mean was that Lentolaivue 34 should be "reformed" (language) and worked on to be the best virtual squadron, and you would be needed in it.

[Richie]

Hey what happened to all the fun we we were having? It's like I came back to some kind of.. "I hate you all"... forum. LOLOL

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Richie

Hey what happened to all the fun we we were having? It's like I came back to some kind of.. "I hate you all"... forum. LOLOL

Lol, an excellent point made. I guess too many Finlanders (actually Savolaisia, and now we would certainly need some Pohjanmaalaisia and the war would begin) begun to show up Things always get tense when it happens.

Well that was a joke. Sorry for non Finlanders who can't get that joke

Ritchie made anyway very good point. Lets keep the peace here, everyone.

[Richie]

Let's all watch what I think is one of the best IL-2 movies ever made...The Desert Dogfighter... Made by Wolf Biscuits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFugJlqAEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MuvS...eature=related

[moilami]

Thanks of the videos Richie. I went to buy ice scream and watched them. It is good for one to be able to enjoy things like art and simple food stuff. So don't laugh at the ice scream

I however liked much more of the "yes, we are aces" video. Air warfare is not emotional stuff for me. It is about survival of us vs them. There is no time nor place for emotions.

Having been said that, I liked actually The Battle of Britain video in how it moved the actors from movie to real war. It was a clever move. A lot could be written about that.