Friday 2010-11-19 Dev. update and Discussion

[Daniël]

[QUOTE=kendo65;199695]I assumed they were 110s, but on a closer look? Flying in vics and the plan of the trailing edge of the wings is more Hampden-like (or maybe just a trick of perspective).

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It's a BR.20 Not a Bf110 or a Hampden.

[kendo65]

[QUOTE=Daniël;199705]

Originally Posted by kendo65

I assumed they were 110s, but on a closer look? Flying in vics and the plan of the trailing edge of the wings is more Hampden-like (or maybe just a trick of perspective).

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It's a BR.20 Not a Bf110 or a Hampden.

Forgot about the Italians. Oh well, there goes another conspiracy theory...

[Sutts]

A quick question Oleg please....

It's my understanding that .303 ammo would at best make lots of small holes in an airframe and hopefully some of those holes would be in vital equipment and fuel and oil lines which could be ignited by the incendiary rounds. I also remember you saying that in SoW rifle caliber ammo will make a small hole exactly where it hits while cannon shells will produce more visible damage such as the large holes and torn skin we see in the He 111 shot.

What I'm wondering is what produced the damage we see in that shot of the heavily damaged He 111? There is a .303 equipped Spitfire behind it but the damage is not consistent with those guns.

Was it flak perhaps or another cannon armed Spitfire nearby?


Thanks!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sutts

A quick question Oleg please....

It's my understanding that .303 ammo would at best make lots of small holes in an airframe and hopefully some of those holes would be in vital equipment and fuel and oil lines which could be ignited by the incendiary rounds. I also remember you saying that in SoW rifle caliber ammo will make a small hole exactly where it hits while cannon shells will produce more visible damage such as the large holes and torn skin we see in the He 111 shot.

What I'm wondering is what produced the damage we see in that shot of the heavily damaged He 111? There is a .303 equipped Spitfire behind it but the damage is not consistent with those guns.

Was it flak perhaps or another cannon armed Spitfire nearby?


Thanks!

There was only one squadron operating cannon armed 1b's during the battle, and these usually jammed, to the extent that 19 squadron demanded their .303's back.
Eight .303's toed in to converge at a point at 200 yards have more effect than people tend to give them credit for.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

There was only one squadron operating cannon armed 1b's during the battle, and these usually jammed, to the extent that 19 squadron demanded their .303's back.
Eight .303's toed in to converge at a point at 200 yards have more effect than people tend to give them credit for.

I guess 8 rapidly firing guns might be able to put a lot of lead in one area. I can see panels popping off under such a barrage. What I can't see is large holes appearing in the skin which to me is more consistent with an explosive charge exploding on contact or beneath the skin.

The few photos I've seen of German aircraft downed during the BoB show lots of small holes and tears in the skin. The holes often look larger due to the flaking paint around the entry hole. Skin may lift due to rivets popping but I haven't seen big holes caused by .303s yet.

Would be nice to see some real life damage shots posted here if anyone has any please.

Cheers

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by Sutts

I guess 8 rapidly firing guns might be able to put a lot of lead in one area. I can see panels popping off under such a barrage. What I can't see is large holes appearing in the skin which to me is more consistent with an explosive charge exploding on contact or beneath the skin.

The few photos I've seen of German aircraft downed during the BoB show lots of small holes and tears in the skin. The holes often look larger due to the flaking paint around the entry hole. Skin may lift due to rivets popping but I haven't seen big holes caused by .303s yet.

Would be nice to see some real life damage shots posted here if anyone has any please.

Cheers

In one of the privious Friday updates there were some nice pictures of damage to planes posted by Xilon X, but I don't know which Friday update.

[swiss]

Cowl Flaps - key mapping

I hope the cf are not mapped again to a single key, for most ppl only use two positions; open or closed.

I would really welcome if they were mapped to an axis, or alternatively, you can choose the positions you use, and toggle between then.

Like:

Pos1: X
Pos2:
Pos3:
Pos4:
Pos5:
Pos6: X

Toggle: X

so you could toggle between 1 and 6 with only one key.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by He111

Polish Sqn 303 (not to be confussed with the gun) were famous for setting their guns at 100 yards and shooting germans down in quick order at that range. There was a doco done, poles were shafted in more ways than one in that war especially by allies!

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When I read this complete ignorance it just makes me wish we (Britain) hadn't sent out the BEF in the first place when Hitler invaded Poland.

It beggars belief that some Poles seem to think that Britain and her allies was obliged to take on the Soviets in 1945 and free up Poland, like we could, needed to or wanted to anyway. We (Britain) bankrupted ourselves and let go of an Empire in order to fight Germany, sacrificing many people from the Commonwealth in the process. But the most galling of all is the contempt and disrespect you show those who died fighting for this. A thoroughly twisted and obtuse perspective you have He111.


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[He111]

Originally Posted by Osprey

When I read this complete ignorance it just makes me wish we (Britain) hadn't sent out the BEF in the first place when Hitler invaded Poland.

It beggars belief that some Poles seem to think that Britain and her allies was obliged to take on the Soviets in 1945 and free up Poland, like we could, needed to or wanted to anyway. We (Britain) bankrupted ourselves and let go of an Empire in order to fight Germany, sacrificing many people from the Commonwealth in the process. But the most galling of all is the contempt and disrespect you show those who died fighting for this. A thoroughly twisted and obtuse perspective you have He111.

What are you raving about toss-pot? It was all in the doco, at the end of the war when all the allies marched in Victory celebrations, the Poles were not allowed to, thanks to Churchill who was scared of annoying the soviets. It's very sad that the Poles proved themselves more than adequate in the BOB but few are willing to acknowledge that! You have a serious attitude problem.

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Hi Oleg, thanks for the update, i have a question though regarding pic number 5 of the third set, the shot up heinkel shows some wonderful damge features on the tail and on the fuselage, but on the wings it looks like some big ink splodges, is this just a detail setting or is it still WIP. Thank you.