Zuti MDS Still Not Ready For Prime Time.

[Krt_Bong]

I love the MDS it's about the coolest thing that has been incorporated into IL-2 but there are some instances of odd behavior when you use it compounded by how much stuff you have programmed into it (vehicles, planes etc) I've learned new Mission Building techniques as a result of it but I'd be willing to wait till 4.11 for a bug free version of it in exchange for triggers (aircraft scrambling because you overflew an enemy base). Even as great as some of the user made content is, and the squashing of the idea that it would be bad (mods) it is proving problematic to have so many different groups working in different communities separate from each other and then trying to make all these different things come together after the fact. Perhaps it was the impetus for Oleg allowing DT to continue. I mean there were things the community wanted but for legal reasons couldn't be done by 1C but the community can really just thumb their noses at *cough*Grumman*cough* and not much can be done to stop them. But on the other hand it's not bringing all of it together under one house that's killing it for me and though I might play with it, incompatibility is taking all the fun out of it. I will always have Il-2 installed but SOW is probably going to take a lot of my time over it eventually and I sure hope Oleg takes to heart that all the stuff that has been done to his venerable sim has been like showing some love to an old car that has been restored and repainted and proudly paraded around.

[ElAurens]

DT cannot thumb their nose at Grumman, get that notion out of your head. DT makes official add ons and are bound by every legal point that Oleg is.

An attempt was made to unifiy the modding communities. It failed utterly because of all the juvenile inflated egos involved, and a not small amount of Red vs. Blue fanboyism as manifested in heated FM debates that made the Ubizoo look like a kindergarten.

I'm hoping that the subsequent add ons done by DT can suffice on their own, without mods, till SoW comes out.

Then I will gladly close the books on IL2 and never open them again.

[Krt_Bong]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

DT cannot thumb their nose at Grumman, get that notion out of your head. DT makes official add ons and are bound by every legal point that Oleg is.

An attempt was made to unifiy the modding communities. It failed utterly because of all the juvenile inflated egos involved, and a not small amount of Red vs. Blue fanboyism as manifested in heated FM debates that made the Ubizoo look like a kindergarten.

I'm hoping that the subsequent add ons done by DT can suffice on their own, without mods, till SoW comes out.

Then I will gladly close the books on IL2 and never open them again.

I was referring to the modding community not DT of course DT would be a target for lawsuits if they tried to do that, but the modding community is everywhere and wouldn't be as easy to do anything to and I completely agree with you there has become a philosophy of cheat to win across all genres of gaming if the MOH beta releases have shown anything. The desire of the modding community to create speculative and pure BS WM and FM just are typical of it. I can see some use for them but how can you really trust it online, I'm all for DT wiping the slate clean and making it all proper again.

[JG53Frankyboy]

IF the MDS makes so much proplems - at least to release it as an official feature - leave it to the MODs.

the most dogfightservers will use MODs anyway and will stay at 4.09 till the MODs can be used with 4.10 , again with the MDS in the MOD "package",...........................
i guess the most players will NOT skip the sounds, FMs, objects,6DOF & flyable planes the MODs brought to them

[csThor]

Daidalos does development for the official Il-2 version. We do not fights mods but we don't roll out the red carper, either, and we also don't make decisions on "release policies" with regards to the mods. If someone uses them it's their very own personal decision ... but they aren't a factor in what DT makes or doesn't make.

Like Caspar said MDS might lose a feature or two because they're too troublesome but we want it in 4.10 and we will deliver the core features for those people who have no use for mods.

[zaelu]

There are two major (like in "giant") mods for IL-2 (in historical order)

1. sHr's 6DoF mod
2. ZUTI's MDS

Both have small bugs and limitations but both get IL-2 to a new level. The 6dof mod development had been stopped shortly after its release (and needs one good coder for revamp) but ZUTI is still working on his MDS hard.

I find this topic a bit insinuatory. ZUTI basicaly did what "Maddox Games" couldn't. And by reverse ingeneering mind you. Sure maybe he had a time/knowledge base advantage and maybe Maddox cancel such idea for IL-2 at some point... but he did it and he still works hard on it and deserves a lot of appreciation for this and not back-words like... "you know... this MDS is kinda fishy... unstable... maybe we should scrap it...". People that don't know exactly the "enormity" of MDS and its huge importance could take words of L'Aurens and KG Alpha for good (based on their reputation here) and march on this false track.

4.10 as far as I care is MDS. the rest is just bonus.

[SEE]

I wanted 6DOF and had to install UP but as a newbie didn't know much about 'modding'. I was selective about which of the additional mods to install but have to agree that some are very good and expand the standard game to a higher level.

My favourite server is the Battle of Britain and having a modded game is essential in order to have the early Spits and Cannons excellent 'Channel' maps. From what I can see, the most popular servers all require a modded game anyway.