SoW: Battle for Moscow and other Igromir news

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Richie

You're right partly in my opinion. The first IL-2 had the problem in North America of being held in Russia. I've asked quite a few people around here about WWII and how much fighting went on in Russia and many of them don't have the foggiest idea. The first 2001 IL-2 had one of the best box arts I've ever seen.

http://pwned.com/gamecovers/pc/165be...Sturmovik_.jpg

While I probably knew more than the Average American about what went on in Russia during the war, I had no desire to buy a sim about a Russian ground attack plane.

I wanted air to air combat. I wanted to be able to fly American, British, and German fighters. After looking at the original way back when, I didn't pay much attention to the series after that (though I did buy and play Pacific Fighters without knowing there was any connection to IL-2).

Names are important. IL-2 had me fooled into thinking it was only about air to ground. I was ignorant of later add ons that would have made the game a must have for me.

Americans will like a great sim about the Battle of Britain but they would LOVE an add on centered around the invasion of Europe and the bombing campaign against Germany. Hopefully that somehow gets done by someone in the future.

So hopefully they get the name right. Since IL-2 was so popular, that needs to be in there somewhere but not "up front". The name also has to be generalized to cover other theaters and other types of games.

Splitter

[Richie]

Originally Posted by Splitter

While I probably knew more than the Average American about what went on in Russia during the war, I had no desire to buy a sim about a Russian ground attack plane.

I wanted air to air combat. I wanted to be able to fly American, British, and German fighters. After looking at the original way back when, I didn't pay much attention to the series after that (though I did buy and play Pacific Fighters without knowing there was any connection to IL-2).

Names are important. IL-2 had me fooled into thinking it was only about air to ground. I was ignorant of later add ons that would have made the game a must have for me.

Americans will like a great sim about the Battle of Britain but they would LOVE an add on centered around the invasion of Europe and the bombing campaign against Germany. Hopefully that somehow gets done by someone in the future.

So hopefully they get the name right. Since IL-2 was so popular, that needs to be in there somewhere but not "up front". The name also has to be generalized to cover other theaters and other types of games.

Splitter

You are a great example of what I was talking about. If you would have purchased that copy of IL-2 in 2001 you would have seen how superior it was by leaps and bounds compared to anything else that was around back then...2001 But youre wrong IL-2 isn't a popular sim because people still don't know the title or have tried it. When is the last time you've seen a copy in London Drugs Wallmart Future Shop etc. CFS3 probably out sells it 100 to 1 witch is a terrible shame.

[Richie]

Imagine these graphics 9 years ago. These are screens from 2001 IL-2

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Splitter

While I probably knew more than the Average American about what went on in Russia during the war, I had no desire to buy a sim about a Russian ground attack plane.

I wanted air to air combat. I wanted to be able to fly American, British, and German fighters. After looking at the original way back when, I didn't pay much attention to the series after that (though I did buy and play Pacific Fighters without knowing there was any connection to IL-2).

Names are important. IL-2 had me fooled into thinking it was only about air to ground. I was ignorant of later add ons that would have made the game a must have for me.

Americans will like a great sim about the Battle of Britain but they would LOVE an add on centered around the invasion of Europe and the bombing campaign against Germany. Hopefully that somehow gets done by someone in the future.

So hopefully they get the name right. Since IL-2 was so popular, that needs to be in there somewhere but not "up front". The name also has to be generalized to cover other theaters and other types of games.

Splitter

Its worth pointing out that after the NG debacle quite a few versions of the game where not even marketed in the US at all.

Imagine how many "0.50 cal is porked" and "the mustang won the war" threads we would have had if the game was actually promoted in the US. Scary thought. I am still waiting for the 0.50 cal mod that lets you kill Tiger tanks by bouncing the shells off the ground

Also, whilst clearly a cash cow, targeting the US casual "shoot 'em up" gamer market may not necessarily be good thing long term for a game. It's quite likely the longevity of the game is partly due to the fact it was not just another "mighty 8th/Pearl/BoB " arcade game with even fancier graphics ... and the name IL2 has made that distinction pretty clear.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Its worth pointing out that after the NG debacle quite a few versions of the game where not even marketed in the US at all.

Imagine how many "0.50 cal is porked" and "the mustang won the war" threads we would have had if the game was actually promoted in the US. Scary thought. I am still waiting for the 0.50 cal mod that lets you kill Tiger tanks by bouncing the shells off the ground

Also, whilst clearly a cash cow, targeting the US casual "shoot 'em up" gamer market may not necessarily be good thing long term for a game. It's quite likely the longevity of the game is partly due to the fact it was not just another "mighty 8th/Pearl/BoB " arcade game with even fancier graphics ... and the name IL2 has made that distinction pretty clear.

Are you surprised that people want to be able to play using their countries planes? Heck, Oleg started this whole thing by paying homage to the IL-2.

bearcat, about the only combat sim I did not try was IL-2 lol. I had them all back then. You should have been working at MY Best Buy lol. As I recall (man, seems like a long time ago), right at the time I was jonesing for a new WWII game, I happened to pick up BF1942 and while it wasn't the air sim I wanted, it occupied me for about 5 years.

So saying, I think you are under-estimating the fascination Americans have with WWII, Galway. The potential market for a good combat flight sim here may surprise you. I know from playing BF1942 that a lot of us got into the game (knowing it was not a sim but a game) because we identified with that era. The average PS3 player in the US would have no interest in a flight "sim" like SoW, but there are a lot of people who are not "typical".

So why ignore such a large population? Sure, we think the P-51 is the best....of course, many Brits would argue for the Spit, and Germans might argue the 190 . Does that make us worse than anyone else?

If it's about making money, which at some point it must be, then I am sure someone is going to step up and make an add on that deals with the invasion and the bombing campaign on Germany.

Ultimately, the SoW should be like WWII...encompassing every country that participated.

As for whoever (whomever? I hate that one....) brought up .50's destroying tanks from underneath, my only defense for that guy is that it was said by a WWII veteran pilot on a documentary lol. I remember hearing it and thinking, "WTF?!". I don't see how it could have really happened (I have actually researched it believe it or not), but I have some theories on why he thought he was blowing up tanks with a machine gun .

Splitter

[major_setback]

Here's your DVD cover Oleg. It's one I did earlier...a few years ago actually, at the same time as the Pe-2 add-on came out. (I don't seriously think you will accept it BTW )

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...101024high.jpg


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[Richie]

Nice..simple and to the point.

[Richie]

Did you see the poster of the pilot Major?

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by Richie

Did you see the poster of the pilot Major?

Oh yes. Much better than anything I could ever do.

[Richie]

LOL I didn't mean that I just meant that I wonder if that's going to be the box art also.