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Old 11-09-2010, 08:01 AM
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Hanna Reitsch flies the Fw61:
slightly disturbing to see how she gets tittilated and exited speaking about the memories of her beloved nazi general and the warmongering industrialists
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:43 AM
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slightly disturbing to see how she gets tittilated and exited speaking about the memories of her beloved nazi general and the warmongering industrialists
Yep...she was a true believer to the end.
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:59 AM
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Actually it's a good question and would be a beneficial addition to the sim, far from being in the same league as antartica-based UFOs or other fantasy scenarios.

After all he didn't demand a chopper on release, he just asked if it's possible to some day have choppers in the simulator's engine which, judging from the long-confirmed knowledge of an upcoming Korean war add-on, is something that would be useful in the context of it.

New mission builder triggers + cessna o-1 birddogs + skyraider + helicopters = awesome pilot rescue missions in multiplayer
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:28 PM
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Actually it's a good question and would be a beneficial addition to the sim, far from being in the same league as antartica-based UFOs or other fantasy scenarios.
Well Autogyros did play an important part in the Battle of Britain.

They were also active in the lead up to the Battle of Moscow.

Helicopters proper were also used in Korea.

So the only place (for which a sim is planned) where rotary winged aircraft are completely out of place is the Mediterranean.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:29 PM
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i know! I know!

NINJAS !

They TOTALLY should be in too!

YEAH !
What part of "planned Korean war add-on" is giving you comprehension troubles?

Just because it's not a priority for BoB doesn't mean it's a completely useless addition. We already have an autogyro in SoW after all and all they did was calibrate radars which were, oh i don't know, maybe one of the most important tools in deciding the battle's outcome?

Sure, most probably we'll only be flying it on custom made missions with triggers and it won't have much combat relevance, but it's such an exotic aircraft that finding a valid excuse to include it in the planeset is a noteworthy decision.

To be honest, i've reached a point where i'm more interested in studying and flying the aircraft, whatever that may be, instead of just engaging into combat with no real knowledge of what i'm driving and why it works the way it does. If triggered objectives are incorporated into a revised multiplayer mode with long-running campaigns, i think i'll be spending much more time flying weird planes or weird missions, at the very least multi-engined bombers, than duking it out in single seaters every single time. Depending on the success of the series and what future add-ons might bring, i think i'll be spending most of my time chasing U-boats in a Catalina, flying agents to France in a Lysander, flying photo-recon, marking targets as a pathfinder or going on raids with Mosquitos. In 18 years of simming i've seen all kinds of simulated single seater combat, it's the obscure stuff i'm itching to know about now.

Who knows, maybe i'm getting old, but i've come to appreciate the satisfaction i get when getting a win almost purely due to superior planning instead of superior combat skill

Interesting info about the Soviet autogyros as well Avinimus, i had no idea they were used in combat or even existed for that matter.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:23 PM
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Actually it's a good question and would be a beneficial addition to the sim, far from being in the same league as antartica-based UFOs or other fantasy scenarios.

After all he didn't demand a chopper on release, he just asked if it's possible to some day have choppers in the simulator's engine which, judging from the long-confirmed knowledge of an upcoming Korean war add-on, is something that would be useful in the context of it.

New mission builder triggers + cessna o-1 birddogs + skyraider + helicopters = awesome pilot rescue missions in multiplayer
Yes yes.. thanks for clearing that up for me man.. i just think it would bring a whole new nice little gameplay into it too. (not that I dont like the current gameplay). Plus, Ive been craving a good modern combat helicopter simulator for a while now. I know Oleg could do it!
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:31 PM
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slightly disturbing to see how she gets tittilated and exited speaking about the memories of her beloved nazi general and the warmongering industrialists
Ah the good ol' days. If it weren't for those pesky allies ruining everything, the world would be so much better now, free from man's failures.
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:22 AM
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slightly disturbing to see how she gets tittilated and exited speaking about the memories of her beloved nazi general and the warmongering industrialists
I just watched the interview by the way, i had forgotten about it.

To tell you the truth i don't know what her political beliefs were, but she didn't come off that way to me. What i saw was an old lady who had done some pretty impressive stuff in her day and even in her old age being enthusiastic about aviation and technology.

I don't know if she was a member of the party but simply flight testing some stuff doesn't make her an accomplice, just like explaining relativity doesn't make Einstein responsible for Hiroshima.

The way it usually happens is that scientists, engineers and testers collaborate to give us all sorts of useful new things that the governments will later use in the wrong way, usually to kill each other off

Also, the general she refers to was Ernst Udet. I think he was not a member of the nazi party, or at least was a secret objector to the regime, as he ended up taking his own life in 1941 or thereabouts. It's the same Ernst Udet that started flying in WWI at the age of 16, became an ace and survived the war, toured the US in the 30s giving aerobatic and aviation performances and so on.
Come to think of it, a guy who has lived such an interesting and accomplished life and managed to defy death in so many occasions, must have been either terribly depressed or very disagreeable to the way things were being done to end up commiting suicide.
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Old 11-11-2010, 02:30 PM
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Hanna Reitsch was hardly an innocent 'scientist, engineer or tester' during the Third Reich:
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During the winter 1943-44, she was assigned to the development of suicide aircraft; and, under the command of SS-Obersturmbannfürer Otto Skorzeny, she was the first founding member of the SS-Selbstopferkommando Leonidas (Leonidas Squadron). This project, where the pilots flew manned bombs and ultimately died during the mission, was similar to the Japanese later use of Tokkōtai ("Kamikaze") and was proposed by Adolf Hitler on 28 February 1944. It is probable that the idea originated with Reitsch during her testing of the Messerschmitt Me 163 in 1942, and she was also the first to volunteer for the newly formed Leonidas unit. This program was met with a considerable resistance at the German air-force high-command and was never realized, and even Hitler was initially reluctant to accept her proposal. The unit was disbanded one year later.

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[In April 1945] Reitsch was soon captured along with von Greim and the two were interviewed together by American military intelligence officers. When asked about being ordered to leave the Fuhrerbunker on 28 April 1945 Reitsch and von Greim reportedly repeated the same answer, "It was the blackest day when we could not die at our Führer's side." Reitsch also said, "We should all kneel down in reverence and prayer before the altar of the Fatherland." When the interviewers asked what she meant by "Altar of the Fatherland" she answered, "Why, the Führer's bunker in Berlin..." She was held and interrogated for eighteen months. Her companion, von Greim, committed suicide on 24 May. Her father killed her mother, her sister, and her sister's children before killing himself during the last days of the war after expulsion by the Polish from their hometown of Hirschberg.
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